Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders

[Stas Bekman]

Issac Goldstand wrote:
[...]
After all, users must set up seperate Apache 
distributions for mp 1 and 2.  When you think about it, it's really a 2 
way relationship: you're "importing the Apache API into Perl", as much 
as you're "embedding the Perl interpreter into Apache".  Just like you 
can't use one Apache/mod_perl with two installations of Perl (say 5.6 
and 5.8 on mod_perl1), it's fair to demand that you shouldn't use two 
versions of Apache/mod_perl (1.3/2.x)  with one version of Perl.  
Chances are that a majority of people with mod_perl1/2 on the same 
machine are developers, and porting things over (or maintaining modules 
for both, or something else which is intelligent) - they'll all know how 
to install both in parallell "the hard way" (eg, setting up 2 perl 
installations); the majority of the non-developers are likely poor 
sysadmins who don't quite understand what they're getting themselves 
into with parallel installations, and we possibly shouldn't be giving 
them a trivial way to do it.
Unfortunately thanks to Randal, people are now totally confused.
Issac, this is not the problem we are trying to solve. The problem is that 
PAUSE indexes only one version of a package name. Forget all the 'use 
Apache2' and other issues for now. There are all minor issues, compared to 
the indexing problem.

Maybe I'm completly misunderstanding why Stas put all the effort into 
his framework to support; maybe my objections make no sense.  But in any 
case, please STOP ARGUING - you're making a public spectacle that's 
gonna bash Perl in general as much as mod_perl specifically  
You can send special thanks to Randal, who in the thread asking to help to 
test the upcoming realease to spot any problems, suggests the opposite:
http://apache.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133957&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=145&mode=nested&cid=11186211

Many of you 
sound like offended six year olds, and it's going to become 
embarassing.  One of the big points of Perl is TMTOWTDI - there isn't 
supposed to be "one way to do it", and just because everyone (myself 
included) is being lazy and not setting up dual Perl installations, 
since Stas was nice enough to provide a rudimentary workaround for it, 
you can't expect Stas's workaround to be "perfect" - he's got enough to 
deal with with mod_perl development without having to deal with how to 
fix Perl/CPAN's inability to support installation of multiple versions 
of modules.
And to give the right credits, it's not 'Stas' framework', there is a 
group of developers working on this. And it wasn't even me who wrote most 
of the things and workarounds. The credits should really go to Doug 
MacEachern. I just happen to push things forward at the moment, where 
others have left. And somebody else will do that later on. modperl is not 
a one man's project.

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