Mike Tintner said in his 10/3/2007 9:38 PM post:
I DON'T THINK AGI - CORRECT ME - HAS SOLVED A SINGLE CREATIVE PROBLEM - E.G. CREATIVITY - UNPROGRAMMED ADAPTIVITY - DRAWING ANALOGIES - VISUAL OBJECT RECOGNITION - NLP - CONCEPTS - CREATING AN EMOTIONAL SYSTEM - GENERAL LEARNING - EMBODIED/ GROUNDED KNOWLEDGE - VISUAL/SENSORY THINKING.- EVERY DIMENSION IN SHORT OF "IMAGINATION". A lot of good thinking has gone into how to attack each of the problems you listed above. I am quite sure that if I spent less than a week doing Google research on each such problem I could find at least twenty very good article on how to attack each of them. Yes, most of the approaches dont work very well yet, but they dont have the benefit sufficiently large integrated systems. In AI more is more. More knowledge provides more restraint, which leads to faster and better solutions. More knowledge provides more context specific probabilities and models. World knowledge helps solve the problem of common sense. Massive sensory and emotional labeling provide grounding. Massive associations provide meaning and thus appropriate implication. More computational power allows more alternatives to be explored. Moore is more. In my mind the questions is not whether or not each of these problems can be solved, it is how much time, hardware, and tweaking will be required to perform them at a human level. For example, having such a large system learn how to run itself automatically is non-trivial because the size of the problem space is very large. To get it all to work together well automatically might requires some significant conceptual breakthroughs, it will almost certainly requires some minor ones. We wont know until we try. To give you just one examples of some of the tremendously creative work that has been done in one of the allegedly unsolved problems describe above, read Doug Hofstadters work on Copycat to get a vision of how one elegant system solves the problem of analogy in a clever toy domain in a surprisingly creative way. That basic approach, described at a very broad level, could be mapped into a Novamente-like machine to draw analogizes between virtually any types of patterns that shared similarities at some level which seem worthy of note to the system in the current context. Edward W. Porter Porter & Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward:The biggest brick wall is the small-hardware mindset that has been absolutely necessary for decades to get anything actually accomplished on the hardware of the day Completely disagree. It's that purely numerical mindset about small/big hardware that I see as so widespread and that shows merely intelligent rather than creative thinking. IQ which you mention is about intelligence not creativity. It's narrow AI as opposed to AGI. Somebody can no doubt give me the figures here - worms and bees and v. simple animals are truly adaptive despite having extremely small brains. (How many cells/ neurons ?) I disagree also re how much has been done. I don't think AGI - correct me - has solved a single creative problem - e.g. creativity - unprogrammed adaptivity - drawing analogies - visual object recognition - NLP - concepts - creating an emotional system - general learning - embodied/ grounded knowledge - visual/sensory thinking.- every dimension in short of "imagination". (Yes, vast creativity has gone into narrow AI, but that's different). If you don't believe it takes major creativity (or "knock-out ideas" pace Voss) , you don't solve creative problems. _____ This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/? <http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > & ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=49608086-0b0a58
