Ian, Be courteous-- Ben asked specifically that any arguments about which things are narrow-ai should start a separate topic.
Yea, I did not intend to rule out any possible sources of information for the stock market prediction task. Ben has worked on a system which looked on the web for chatter about specific companies, for example. Even if it was just stock data being used, it wouldn't be just time-series analysis. It would at least be planning as well. Really, though, it includes acting with the behavior of potential adversaries in mind (like game-playing). Even if it *were* just time-series analysis, though, I think it would be a decent AGI application. That is because I think AGI technology should be good at time-series analysis! In my opinion, a good AGI learning algorithm should be useful for such tasks. So, yes, many of my examples could be attacked via narrow AI; but I think they would be handled *better* by AGI. That's why they are low-hanging fruit-- they are (hopefully) on the border. --Abram On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just one point about Forex, your first entry. This is purely a time series > analysis as I understand it. It is narrow AI in fact. With AGI you would > expect interviews with the executives of listed companies, just as the big > investment houses do. > > AGI would be data mining of everything about a company as well as time > series analysis. > > > - Ian Parker > > On 8 August 2010 02:35, Abram Demski <abramdem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ben, >> >> -The oft-mentioned stock-market prediction; >> -data mining, especially for corporate data such as customer behavior, >> sales prediction, etc; >> -decision support systems; >> -personal assistants; >> -chatbots (think, an ipod that talks to you when you are lonely); >> -educational uses including human-like artificial teachers, but also >> including smart presentation-of-material software which decides what >> practice problem to ask you next, when to give tips, etc; >> -industrial design (engineering); >> ... >> >> Good luck to him! >> >> --Abram >> >> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it >>> out to you guys.... >>> >>> **** >>> I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low >>> hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not >>> involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on >>> voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. >>> Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) >>> >>> Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall >>> under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI >>> technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are >>> welcome. >>> **** >>> >>> All serious responses will be appreciated!! >>> >>> Also, I would be grateful if we >>> could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this >>> question, rather than >>> digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition >>> of AGI >>> versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. >>> etc. If you think >>> the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's >>> fine, but please >>> start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. >>> >>> If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a >>> compact >>> list to convey to him >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Ben G >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> agi >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Abram Demski >> http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ >> http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Abram Demski http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
