Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach with 
regard to moderating this list.

We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years. 

That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the delete 
key. There is never a reason to get personal with another subscriber on our 
list.

I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not unusual. We 
still share information.

Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do not see 
eye to eye, but we do many great things together in spite of that :-)  

This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.

If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please share you comment 
with Jon and I privately, as owners of the list. Otherwise hit delete, we do 
not want to be moderators.

Best,

Win


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> On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements <jon.cleme...@umass.edu> wrote:
> 
> Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have gotten a 
> little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's not let this get 
> out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca 
> <mailto:vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca>> wrote:
> You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for expressing your 
> political and religious views in other forums.
> 
> http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html 
> <http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html>
> 
> “Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from cultivar 
> selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock development and testing to 
> the development of sustainable production systems is welcome.”
> 
> Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.
> 
> “an environment that once again values and rewards the entrepreneur”. 
> Hopefully, there is room for the “environment” in your environment!
> 
> 
>> Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com 
>> <mailto:k...@alstedefarms.com>> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
>>  
>> I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so little 
>> tolerance these days for alternative view points.  Yet, to suggest that 
>> politics don’t influence our businesses and farms would be not only a 
>> mistake but also a disservice to our goal of helping and supporting one 
>> another who grow apples.  What I can share with you with confidence as a 
>> full time family farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama 
>> administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging 
>> than any other time in my 35 years of farming.  I have seen a steady 
>> increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory compliance as well 
>> as the amount of management time that I and my team spend simply making sure 
>> that our business can operate….none of which helps us grow a better apple 
>> for our customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration and I 
>> can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance our family 
>> business to the next generation in an environment that once again values and 
>> rewards the entrepreneur, hard work, rural values, and the risk that we all 
>> take each year as farmers.   I also look forward to a positive business 
>> environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and preserve 
>> more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the local economy.
>>  
>> Simply stated….I am very excited!
>>  
>> Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless the United 
>> States of America.
>>  
>>  
>> Kurt W. Alstede
>> General Manager,
>> Alstede Farms, LLC
>> P.O. Box 278
>> 1 Alstede Farms Lane,
>> Chester, New Jersey 07930
>> United States of America
>>  
>> Tel:  908-879-7189 <tel:(908)%20879-7189>
>> Fax: 908-879-7815 <tel:(908)%20879-7815>
>> www.alstedefarms.com <http://www.alstedefarms.com/>
>>  
>> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
>>  
>> From: apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com 
>> <mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com>] On Behalf Of Vincent Philion
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:14 PM
>> To: Apple-Crop discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
>>  
>> Please keep "alternative facts" and politics out of this thread. 
>> 
>> Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc.
>> 
>> Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:06, Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:hughthoma...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
>> 
>> The intended effect was to promote the idea that the right wing extremist 
>> Donald Trump was trying to suppress opposition voices. Contrast this to the 
>> fact that for years the fascist left has threatened any scientist that 
>> questions global warming. The death penalty has been called for many times. 
>> By the way, the idea:  “97% of scientists agree…” is just more fake news.
>>  
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Cooley <dcoo...@umass.edu 
>> <mailto:dcoo...@umass.edu>> wrote:
>> Since journalists are among the most dishonest human beings on earth, we 
>> probably should all just stop paying attention to the news, and let the new 
>> administration get on with the important business of making America great 
>> again. No offense Con, but America first! 
>>  
>> But if you’re not inclined to stop paying attention, it turns out the USDA 
>> kerfuffle came about from an internal decision, not the White House. It 
>> strikes me as typical of ARS culture. 
>>  
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-supposed-gag-order-agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound
>>  
>> <http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-supposed-gag-order-agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound>
>>  
>> Dan
>> 
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