Thanks for the clarification Tom.  I do agree that government money, as it 
predates socialism, probably doesn't rightly fall under the category of 
socialism.  I wonder though if most folks would agree that social security is 
socialism.  Americans don't like to admit that they like socialism. and FDR sold 
social security by giving it its own devoted tax and claim that the tax is a 
"retirement contribution."  Millions of Americans view Social Security benefits as 
their right, not because they see the benefits as socialist redistribution, but 
rather because they view the benefits as socialist redistribution but rather 
as the result of their own contirbutions.  It's no wonder that the primary 
beneficiaries of Social Security oppose means-testing.

David


In a message dated 6/17/03 10:27:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Sorry, David, you misunderstood me (or at least what I 
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>thought I meant).
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>I first tried to point out that gov't money was one thing,
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>not so much "socialism".  But SS is something else -- I guess
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>I should have said most folks would agree that "social
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>security" is a form of socialism, but would add that it's 
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>pretty good.  I certainly meant that SS is prolly the
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>most recognized socialism/ socialist policy in the US.
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>One of the ways to "save" SS is the, so far unpopular,
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>means testing.  The huge drugs bills should all include
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>means testing.  I certainly oppose forcing the poor to
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>save or subsidize the rich!
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>Tom

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