[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c

[Martin Shepherd]

Dear Luca,

The relevant quotes from Burwell are in my essay on Rob's site: 
www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm

A facsimile of the book was printed by Boethius Press but is probably 
now out of print - can anyone advise?

The author of the Burwell lute tutor is thought to have been John 
Rogers, who is thought to have been a pupil of Ennemond Gaultier.

Best wishes,

Martin

Luca Manassero wrote:

Dear Martin,

all this sounds very, very interesting.

Are you aware of a site where I could get the Mary Burwell "on-line"?

Many thanks,

Luca


Martin Shepherd on 14-12-2007 13:12 wrote:

Dear Chris,

The author of the Burwell tutor is quite clear.  He says the French 
masters first adopted a twelve course lute, then returned to an 11c, 
"keeping only the small eleventh" because the sound of the low octave 
on the 11th is "too big and smothers the sound of the other 
strings".  He also explains how you can then play a C on the open 
11th instead of having to finger it at the third fret of the sixth 
course.

You're right about the single 11th being the high octave, not the 
lower - Burwell says it should be between the 5th and 6th in size.

Later authors clearly used both strings, Mouton for instance 
indicates where they are to be played separately.

Best wishes,

Martin

P.S.  I do think the single 2nd course arises from conversion of a 
10c lute - it means you only need one more peg for the 11c version, 
which you can get by adding a treble rider.  So no need to make a new 
pegbox!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think the idea of the single 11th course was possibly transitional 
- to make a 10c into an 11c set up with single second course, 
leaving another single for the 11th. My understanding was that this 
11th course was an 8ve and not a bordon.

Cheers

Chris

Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

 

Thanks Theo and Anthony,

Yes, these gimped strings are new to me, the Pistoys too. So it's 
not just a
case of getting used to 11 courses and new repertoire, but new 
strings also.
I will doubtless experiment a bit over time, but gut basses are 
expensive!
I'd love to hear your Andy Rutherford 11c, Theo, and Anthony's 
Gottlieb when
it arrives. Mary Burwell said the French fashion was for a single 11th
course - I might try that with a thicker fundamental.

I'm probably finished recording for the moment, but might take you 
up on the
idea of recording the same piece in a couple of months, just to see 
what
differences there are.

Rob

www.rmguitar.info



-----Original Message-----
From: T. Diehl-Peshkur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 
2007 10:41
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c

Hi Rob, Thanks for the link, very nice!

From my own experience, I picked up my Andy Rutherford 11 course 
about a 2

months ago, all gut, with gimped basses
from Larson. The basses developed quite dramatically in the first 
few month- especially
after working on them vigorously for some time.
I think it is a combination of the string developing as well as the
soundboard.
My suspicion is that in about a month or two, those basses of yours 
are
going to be quite different.
It would be fun to record the same piece again at that time to see 
what
happens!
Cheers, Theo


From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:19:14 -0000
To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] new sound file for 11c

I've made an mp3 of the Chaconne in Am by de Visee with my right 
hand little
finger resting on the bridge. This technique is depicted in a 
number of
paintings and seems to work well with all-gut strings. I once tried 
it on a
lute strung in nylon and it sounded quite poor. I think it works 
well with
gut, so might try to adopt it as my 11c technique. On the other 
hand (not
literally) the famous painting/engraving of Mouton has his hand a 
little
further from the bridge with little finger on the sound board, but 
still
nowhere near the rose.



The gimped strings seem to have settled.



Here it is: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm - scroll to the 
bottom of the
page.



Man, I love this lute! Please excuse all this sudden enthusiasm!



Rob



www.rmguitar.info








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