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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: RH on the bridge?

Anthony Hind
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:57:34 -0800

Dear all,

There are new photos of unrestored lutes on Mimmo Peruffo's site at

http://www.aquilacorde.com/lutes.htm

MP says "On a  modern lute completely strung with  gut at 3.0 Kg  
tension per string (1-3 courses + octaves plain gut; 4-5 courses  
Venices; 6-11 basses loaded  gut strings)  the best performance was  
achivied when playing closer to the bridge and with the thumb out; as  
suggested by old  lute treatises, and some paintings "
The example he chooses is Charles Mouton, so we can compare with the  
rh position that Rob has also adopted;
Rob: http://tinyurl.com/2dlsa3

Charles: http://tinyurl.com/yvlvvq

Detail of Charles on MP's site:

http://www.aquilacorde.com/mouton5.jpg

But more conclusive are actual finger marks on the lute's belly in  
these unrestored lutes.

"the finger- marks that are on some original  d- minor 11 course  
lutes (that had never been restored) of the Kremsm=C31/4nster (Austria):"

There are now four photos of unrestored lutes on Mimmo Peruffo's  
site. They all show the little finger of the rh, near the bridge,  
which implies thumb out.

The first is the Hans Frei in Bologna; Matthias Fux/R=C3=B6m 1683'
http://www.aquilacorde.com/kremsmuenster1.JPG

The second is a 'Magno dieffopruchar a venetia/1604 Matthias Fux/ 
R=C3=B6m.  Kays. May- /      Hoff-Lautenmacher in Wien 1685/ zuegericht'
http://www.aquilacorde.com/kremsmuenster2.JPG

The third has no label
http://www.aquilacorde.com/kremsmuenster3.JPG

The fourth is  'Jakob Wei=CE'/Lauthen-und Gei-/17 genmacher in  
Saltzburg'. 13 course lute with broken bass rider
http://www.aquilacorde.com/kremsmuenster4.JPG

I have to say that I have been concentrating on Renaissance technique  
these last few years, so I rather wish this thumb out technique was  
not so clearly necessary for 11c  Baroque.
I always beieved there were only two extant Frei lutes, so this comes  
as a surprise. We can note the lace surrounding the soundboard, as on  
Mouton's lute.

Regards
Anthony
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