Anthony Hind
Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:41:14 -0800
EdI thought I read that these Larosn lutes were both strung in gut (I see in fact nothing is said to that effect). In Mp3 to be truthfull it is difficult to tell much, except that the Burholtzer has more bass presence and is rounder than the Frei, which was the main point to my message. I am glad to hear that the lute played by Satoh, in the photo is actually a copy of the Greiff, not a Burkholtzer. I was afraid the Greiff, might be very different from the Burkholtzer, but I see it has the same mulitribbed form. Indeed, I imagined that Satoh chooses a large bodied multi-ribbed lute with his low tension strings, to compensate for the lack of bass this brings. Had the Greiff been different, I would have been proved wrong (I still might be, off course, as it might not be for that reason). I am also imagining that he chose the Dutch lute form, both to evoke the "Style Brisé" repertoire with a multi-ribbed lute, and also to have a longer bass course on 12c and 11c, again to compensate for weak bass due to low tension, but without having over long strings elsewhere. If that is indeed, what he is doing, it is rather clever (and he kill three birds with one stone), but at the same time, this can't be considered a general solution, just his own very good compromise. All French Baroque lute players did not play such lutes, and you yourself need gimped strings with your 11c Frei. I don't think you could get away with pure low tension gut with this model and such a short string length. However, this is also, clearly, a very satisfactory solution which works well for you, giving something nearer "equal to touch tension", I would suppose. Thanks for all your help and advice. I have received so much information from lutists, lute makers, and string makers through this list and the French list that I am just beginning to get to grips with this very interesting question.
Best regards Anthony Le 16 janv. 08 à 13:50, Edward Martin a écrit :
Satoh appears to have found quite a good compromise. Unless I am mistaken, he appears to have adopted the Dutch/English/French? 12c Lute, to partly get round this problem. On this, the 12c and 11c, on the second neck, are quite long, while the other strings are somewhat shorter, thus allowing the player more agility; and at the same time,the bass is reinforced by the large bowl size of the Burkholtzer lute. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2006/TSatohConcert/ PlayingRT.jpgAnthony, That lute is actually a copy of the Greiff, not a Burkholtzer.Although, the Burkholtzer, recorded on the Larson site is a 13 c lute, strung in Gamut gut perhaps with gimped, we can hear that it has a rounder more bass orientated sound the 11c Hans Frei, now in the Wein Kunsthistorisches Museum, no. C34 : Listen first the 13 c Burkholtzer:http://www.daniellarson.com/lutes/berkholtzer/ berkholtzer_baroque_lute_sarabande.wmaSecond the on the Frei C34 : http://www.daniellarson.com/lutes/frei/frei%20baroque%20lute.wma Yes,That is Paul Berget on the Burkholtzer 13 course lute, and me on the 11 course lute. Paul is strung entirely in nylon. It is his choice. I used all gut.Ed Martin owns an 11c Frei C34 with a similar string length to that of the Mouton lute, and he uses a form of loaded string, since gimping does load the gut. This might not be historically "correct", but it is a compromise with which Ed is clearly happy (perhaps, it is Ed on the C34 recording above, certainly it is very probably the type of stringing he is using).Correct. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
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