Samuel,

Nice feedback there.  I'm definitely very interested in the Cake
project and helping out
anyway I can.  So as a noob I will definitely report it.  And of
course this thread is now here
for anyone who does a search in the future.

Thanks.

On Jan 22, 7:49 pm, "Samuel DeVore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who
> > installed the latest cake get this?  This is a common message?  And if
> > so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete).
>
> If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message.
> So yes it's a common message.  Why is it not in the manual...  Here is
> my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using
> cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious.  There is a
> lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first
> reaction, "Oh my goodness how could you not know this..."  Which is
> unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't
> have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff
> to you and how it tries to help...
>
>
>
> > I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the
> > expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me?
>
> Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has
> no manners...  :)  What should you do, here is my suggestion.  Go 
> tohttp://trac.cakephp.org/join and open a ticket on the documentation
> about this.  Now that you understand what cake is saying to you,
> suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it
> is a problem.  Even a suggestion for the error message to make it
> clearer for you as a newbie.  Remember that the developers are so far
> from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate
> suggestions on how to make the message clearer.  But tickets in Trac
> are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to
> the manual or the error messages.
>
> Make sure you check out thehttp://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people
> writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there
> are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not
> notice unless you help them see the problem.
>
> Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better
>
> Sam D
>
>
>
> > On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > :)
>
> > > I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: 
> > > "Just
> > > read the error and follow the instructions". But, I also know what you're
> > > thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so
> > > you shouldn't be getting and "error".
>
> > > All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be
> > > missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes:
>
> --
> (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you
>
> - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot
>
> http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/
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