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Re: Bulk email servers...

Kevin Langevin
Fri, 31 May 2002 08:39:40 -0700

I absolutely respect your thoughts on this topic, Ryan.  There are many
lists over 1,000,000 emails on the Internet. I previously worked for
eDiets.com, whose opt-in email list is over 15,000,000 names as of about 4
months ago. I'm sure it's significantly larger than that by now.  The
company I currently work for has assumed a defunct company's opt-in email
list through completely legitimate means, and is creating an opt-in mailing
to continue to provide similar service to the previous members. We expect a
LARGE number of people to remain opted-in, as this company's service is
superior to the previous provider, and so the powers that be here wish to
find a solution which will handle the volume of member-emails we may need to
deal with in the next 12-24 months.

While you do not know me, a number of people on the list do, and I assure
you that I am an ethical, responsible developer who would not be party to
spamming.  If I felt that this company was doing anything inappropriate, I
wouldn't be working for them.

All that aside, I'm glad to see that you feel the obligation to question
these practices.  The company's current opt-in email list for member
newsletters is somewhere around 195,000 right now.  With the addition of the
new list, that number will likely increased dramatically, and we just want
to be prepared for it.

Thanks,

-Kevin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Kime" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Bulk email servers...


> This is to everyone on the list,
>
> I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to
> items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide
who
> to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If
> this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best
> places are  to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in
> particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but "a few million emails
> overnight" doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think
most
> company's "newsletters" have user bases of over a million - how big is
> Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up
my
> point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be
> thinking, "what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?", well go do a
> news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporations....it's
> becoming a big concern.
>
> I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics
> or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread
> on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility
to
> ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan Kime
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Bulk email servers...
>
>
> Hi all-
>
> Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email
servers.
> I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to
> send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with
decent
> list scrubbing capabilities.  Thoughts, comments, suggestions?
>
> We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all.  We're
> looking to set up a dedicated email server  to handle this stuff.  Mostly
> newsletter stuff.
>
> Thanks...
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> 
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