David Cushman
Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:32:14 -0700
Hi Brad, Thanks for the clarification - I had understood the evolution to have gone the other direction (evolving from other northern european bowed lyres). It is quite a tangle, isn't it? Best regards, David On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Brad McEwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi: > > it si my understanding tha the original medaeival "crowd" from which the > bowed Welsh crwth derived, was a plucked instrument. > > Brad > > *David Cushman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have done a little research into the crwth and it is indeed a bowed > instrument that survives in Wales. There is a group called Bragod who have > done some research into the instrument and have some novel ideas about it. > It is generally tuned Pythagorean and musically makes use of lots of drone > notes to support a melody line. Check out this site for a little video > background: > > http://www.bragod.com/4crwthhar.html > > There are a couple of sources for the crwth (also seen in literary > references as "croud" or "crowd"): > > http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn=EAR035&ss=crwth > > http://www.michaeljking.com/crwth.htm > > A bit off from the main thread topic, but hopefully of interest. > > --David > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > > > Damien, I'm sure other people will disagree with me, so I'll send this > to > > the cittern list! (also: the 'crwth' is a bowed instrument, not plucked) > > > > > > Damien Delgrossi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am suprised to read you saying that UK doesn't have plucked > > > > > instruments traditions. What about banjos? and pictures showing > popular > > > > > mandolin played by folk performers long long time ago? Are you > sure of what > > > > > you said? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart wrote: > > > > > I think so. In the 1950s, some folk singers used pianos as > > > > accompaniment! The guitar - as an accompaniment to folk songs - is > from > > > > the 1960s. The traditional folk songs collected from the 19th > century were > > > > all sung unaccompanied. The only genuine folk string instrument > (apart from > > > > fiddles) is the hammered dulcimer. > > > > > > > > Banjos, guitars and mandolins have been around in Britain since the > > > > late 19th century. But not playing traditional folk music. They > played > > > > popular tunes and popular 'folk' tunes (only a distant relation to > > > > traditional folk music) and bits of classical music. > > > > > > > > Nowadays, many folk players players play modern citterns, > flat-backed > > > > bouzoukis, mandolins and mandolas etc. But this is all from the > 1960s and > > > > 1970s. > > > > > > > > There are no plucked instruments in traditional Irish music either > > > > (before the last few decades). > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > Good morning Stuart, > > > > It is very interesting what you wrote. I understand well the difference > > you do between folk popular tune and traditional music. People often > don't > > do the same and think that popular tune are always traditional. You're > right > > when you say that is not. > > > > So the only plucked instrument traditional is the medieval crwth from > > Wales in the 9th century? > > > > Regards, > > > > Damien > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total > Access<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47523/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com>, > No Cost. > > --