conlang
Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:51:55 -0800
------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> There are 11 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Conlangs in the movies From: Thomas Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2. conlang names From: # 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3. Re: CHAT Re: Souvlaki (was most looked-up words) From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4. Re: conlang names From: azathoth500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5. Re: Devanagari handwriting? From: azathoth500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6. Re: conlang names From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7. Re: Asha'ille site update From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8. Re: Conlangs in the movies From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9. Re: conlang names From: Tristan Mc Leay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10. Re: USAGE: Speak-Say-Tell From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11. Re: conlang names From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:43:03 -0500 From: Thomas Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Conlangs in the movies Howdy all, I just got back from seeing "Blade: Trinity", and there's Esperanto in the movie! In one scene, the word "Esperanto" is clearly visible on a billboard in the background; in another scene, the character Whistler buys a newspaper and he and the kiosk proprietor have a brief exchange in Esperanto; and finally in another scene the police station has a bilingual illuminated sign by the entrance which reads "Police/Policejo" above and "Protect and Serve/Protekti kaj Servi". Finally, another character, King, recuperating from injuries sustained while battling vampires, is lying in bed watching the movie Incubus! Yeeeah. It totally made my day. :-) Tomaso ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:13:52 -0500 From: # 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: conlang names [This message is not in displayable format] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:15:13 -0000 From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CHAT Re: Souvlaki (was most looked-up words) Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The only other bearer of the name I can recall hearing of is the >Frankish 7th C king. Andreas Dagobert I - Austrasia 623-628; the Franks 629-633. Dagobert II - Austrasia 674-678 Dagobert III - the Franks 711-716 Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:34:14 -0500 From: azathoth500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: conlang names I try to come up with a word or two I think the people would have called themselves. For example, my protolanguage borrows a few words from Proto-Indo-European. The root *aryo makes it in there somewhere, and it ends up lending its name to the conlang Aja. Another one is the plural form of the word "person" with sound change applied, becoming Faslyp. On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:13:52 -0500, # 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've started my first conlang but I encountered a problem: the name > > What do you take as names? > > It is logic when you call it by the name of the imaginary people who speak > it but I don't have any history about my conlang. > > There is also the possibility to call it with one of the words of tha > language like "esperanto" but for me I don't know wich one take and if I > make a bad choice I would consider it as a lack of originality... > > Where do you take your ideas for your conlang names? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:36:32 -0500 From: azathoth500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Devanagari handwriting? I was under the impression that the dual wasn't used much in modern Hebrew On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:23:53 +0200, Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm. You meant dual number, didn't you? It's not as rare as you may think. > It was present in Old Russian (its remnants are still found in all East > Slavic lgs as a "counting form", to be used with numerals 2, 3 and 4 in Nom. > and Acc.), Old English (in personal pronouns), florishes in Hebrew and > Arabic etc. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:39:05 -0500 From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: conlang names On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:13:52PM -0500, # 1 wrote: > What do you take as names? Well, I very unoriginally use a word from the language itself. Okaikiar, for instance, is the Okaikiar word for "what is spoken across time" or some such - it's the temporal mode of "kaikiar", which is the normal word for "speech" (literally, "that which is spoken"; passive agentive form of the verb "kaikan" = "to speak"). Whereas "Methkaeki" is even more boringly the Methkaeki word for "language". I'm running into a nomenclatural problem myself with my current project; it's a romlang, and romlangs are traditionally called by the name of the region - unless surrounded by non-Romance langauges, in which case they retain a reflex of "Roman". But I don't have a setting for my language yet, so I don't know what region its in or what it's surrounded by . . . -Marcos ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:39:50 +0100 From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Asha'ille site update Hi! "H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >... > browser windows be exactly 800 pixels wide, no more, no less. Really? Same anankastic behaviour for me. :-) (At least with screens of exactly 1600 pixels width. I love two browser windows next to each other.) > So feel free to ignore me if you so choose. :-P) No! Don't ignore! :-) **Henrik ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:40:33 -0500 From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Conlangs in the movies On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:43:03PM -0500, Thomas Leigh wrote: > Howdy all, > > I just got back from seeing "Blade: Trinity", and there's Esperanto in > the movie! Hm. Is that movie set in the future? I've seen Esperanto postulated as the future lang of a unified Earth in sf before - the television series "Red Dwarf" being one well-known example, and the Stainless Steel Rat books another. -Marcos ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:40:39 +1100 From: Tristan Mc Leay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: conlang names [This message is in Unicode (UTF-8). Ã is a slashed o; Å is an oe ligature.] On 9 Dec 2004, at 2.13 pm, # 1 wrote: > I've started my first conlang but I encountered a problem: the name > > What do you take as names? > > It is logic when you call it by the name of the imaginary people who > speak it but I don't have any history about my conlang. > > There is also the possibility to call it with one of the words of tha > language like "esperanto" but for me I don't know wich one take and if > I make a bad choice I would consider it as a lack of originality... > > Where do you take your ideas for your conlang names? Some popular choices include 'our language' or 'the people's language' or something similar (even if you don't have a people yet but your language is an artlang that could conceivably be spoken by a people, it's still a good choice). German (Deutsch) is a well-known candidate for the latter. FÃtisk (Ancient F. _foietisc_, Old & Modern F. _FÅtisk_) is usually assumed to mean 'of the people'/'the people's language' as well, but that should regularly be *_foievisc_ and *_FÅvisk_. (As it stands, the best meaning is 'Language of the FÃts'/'of the FÃt'.) It may just be an irregular sound change; *_foied_ is never attested in the ancient language. -- Tristan. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:52:47 -0000 From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: USAGE: Speak-Say-Tell Geoff Horswood wrote: > >I was thinking about the English words "speak", "say", "tell" (and >"talk"), and trying to quantify the exact difference between them. >Specifically, I was wondering whether all the words were strictly >necessary in a language, or whether you could postulate a language >with only one word meaning speak, say, tell or talk, depending on >context. How realistic is > this? I know of three in Swahili: ambia = say to, tell. ongea = talk sema = say, speak Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:59:23 -0000 From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: conlang names On 9 Dec 2004, at 2.13 pm, # 1 wrote: > I've started my first conlang but I encountered a problem: the name > What do you take as names? It is logic when you call it by the >name of the imaginary people who speak it but I don't have any >history about my conlang. I would imagine that a language doesn't need a name unless there are other languages from which it needs to be differntiated. Senyecan had no name until other languages began to evolve from it. Then it was decided to call it Senyecan, i.e, ancient language, to differentiate it from the others. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conlang/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------