conlang
Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:26:43 -0800
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:35:36 -0500, Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:42:15 -0000, Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: ... >>Love the vine script, too, > >My script is not to be confused with the script at omniglot.com!! I've >always referred to it as "Ornament script", "Wine script" (with W!!) or >"Tahano Nuvenon". I like the wine script much better! http://www.beckerscarsten.de/conlang/ayeri/pics/alphabet_ayeri_ornaments.jpg A very beautiful design. I don't doubt it could easily be converted into a swift writing script. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: j. 'mach' wust ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:14:04 -0000 From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Interjections I was working on my Senyecan vocabulary today (my favorite part of conlanging) and I came upon some of the interjections. I wondered who else might have some interjections in their conlang. I'm wondering if different emotions call forth similar phonemes, e.g., is pain always "ow"? These are the Senyecan interjections I've discovered so far: áa, excl. of pleasure or admiration. aaí, excl. of wonder or surprise. ái, excl. of disapproval or sarcasm: soon, then, apparently. aláá, hello. áu, excl. of pain, confusion, or anger. eenó, behold. eú, excl. of joy. eÿó, excl. to get attention, hey there. licöó, by the way. (from the verb lícöa, to leave behind) tu' mumumélða, please, lit. I beg you. núu, now, well now, well then, let's see now, hmmmmm. nuu, ummm; the Spanish este. óó, particle always used with the vocative. tòaarnéso, amen, lit. so it may be. vó, excl. of protest or assertion. yú, excl. of joy. yáá, excl. of contempt or disgust, ha! mun ðélqa, thank you, lit., I am obliged. The rule for pitch states that undeclinable words can never have the primary (high) pitch, but interjections are the exception. I suppose it's because of the emotion involved. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:24:32 -0500 From: Michael Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: begginer Given the current state of the list, I guess any actual conlang-related post would be helpful... :) # 1 wrote: > I've still never complete a conlang > > I would like to ask for advices. First of all, IMO, I don't think it's possible to complete a conlang. Something as complex as a language can't really be considered "complete". Languages that actually have speakers (including auxlangs) are always changing. Even Tolkien never "completed" his conlangs. That being said, there are other types of "complete". Turing-complete languages were mentioned earlier this week on the list. > What kind of conlang should I try to create first? > > should I keep it simple with a little conjugaison, vocabulary similar to my > mother tongue, avoid complicated or too different concepts? > > should I first try to create something similar to languages I speak? Really, the best idea is to create what _you_ want. If you want to make a Euroclone, go ahead. If you want to make a Sindarin or something "artistic", that's fine. If you want to make another Ithkuil, then I feel sorry for you. :) Seriously, go with what you think is best. Most people's first conlangs look a lot like their own natlangs. The key is that you should at least be able to understand what you made. I wouldn't throw in triggers or tripartite systems or something else _I_ don't know that much about. > Is a kind of language easier to create in flexionnal, agglutinative, and > isolating? I don't know if any type is easier than any other. My own conlang, Suvile, is very agglutinative. It seems easier to me than an inflectional language. An isolating conlang might be easiest _for me_ because it is more like English. What you're familiar with is probably easiest for you. > It is simply because I don't want to continue to create great ideas of > grammars and never make the rest of the conlang around it You could always get one of those word generator programs. :) Grammar is probably the easiest part of a conlang because it is the easiest to define. It's harder to make up 1000 basic words than it is to decide which tenses and cases a conlang uses. I sometimes take words from English or Latin or (for example) Spanish, change them slightly, and then use them in Suvile. The Suvile word for dog is "kayn" (/kajn/), which I got from the Latin "canis". There are a few other examples, but I don't remember them right now. > Help? advises? > Advise: Don't give up! Do what you think is best. If you want to work on grammar, do that. I was only half-joking earlier when I said that you can use a computer program to generate words. That's what a few people on this list do. Or you can use words from natlangs. IIRC, you said you were from Quebec, so you already have 2 langs to choose from. :) Here's what I'm going to do: translate the first few lessons of the McGuffey Reader that Gary Shannon posted. It's geared toward 1st graders (age 6-7) so it's a good starting point for the "basics". I hope you can make some sense out of this post, because I'm not sure that I can! That's how I write sometimes. I hope to see more of your posts soon. I hope to see *any* on-topic posts soon. :) -- Michael ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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