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RE: P and VP Inability

Sanford Levinson
Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:58:07 -0700

Needless to say, I had forgotten that the Vice President is (also) the 
President of the Senate.  So doesn't Seth have to be right, in his very helpful 
comment below, that the Senate, as a means of defending its own institutional 
integrity, can take preventive measures to assure that its President is not 
suffering from the kind of disability that calls into question his or her 
capacity for judgment?  (Now I realize that the Senate was happy for many years 
to  have as its President pro Tem the altogether senile Strom Thurmond, and I 
don't know the mental condition of the current President pro Tem, Robert Byrd, 
so perhaps I should just use this as another item in my bill of particulars to 
abolish the Senate in its present form and reconstitute it in a form that would 
be worthy of our support.)

sandy
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From: seth tillman [sbarretttill...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:46 PM
To: Sanford Levinson; conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu
Subject: re: P and VP Inability



Just a few thoughts responding to Sandy ...

There is a recent student note discussing "inability"/"disability" ... see 
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1312846. However, the Note 
focuses on the XXV Amendment, not Article II disabilty.

I know of one obscure discussion of the meaning of inability from the 
ratification debates. Madison, at the Virginia Convention, stated: "[I]f the 
President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be 
grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can 
impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty; they can suspend him when 
suspected, and the power will devolve on the Vice-President. Should he be 
suspected, also, he may likewise be suspended till he be impeached and removed, 
and the legislature may make a temporary appointment. This is a great 
security." 3 ELLIOT’S DEBATES 498; see also 1 TUCKER, 347–48 (“[I]t is 
presumable, that whenever a president may be actually impeached, he would be 
instantly incapacitated thereby from discharging the duties of his office, 
until a decision should take place; in which case also, the duties of the 
office of president, must devolve upon the vicepresident.”). Akhil Amar 
discusses the curious Madison passage in a footnote in  his (Amar's) recent 
America's Constitution: A Biography. But Amar's discussion is as difficult to 
understand as is Madison's. Certainly Madison's statement does not sit well 
with the consensus modern view of the impeachment power. It may be that 
"inability"/"disability" (in 1787) was related to political incapacity or 
conflict of interest. I am not sure if it was then understood to cover what we 
think of as physical/mental incapacity, although the language (as we understand 
it today) would seem to cover both.  It really is very difficult to be sure.

As to your specific question regarding what Congress could have done with 
Woodrow Wilson ... I'd say that they could have acted prospectively before he 
was ill. But, once he was so ill that "presentment" was not meaningful, I'd say 
there was no opportunity for Congress to act to pass such a statute, at least 
not with out first asserting that the VP was acting-President founded on 
presidential inability (and then presenting the reform statute to the VP). Of 
course, in this latter scenario, you don't really need the statute.  If, on the 
other hand, Congress did present to Wilson and he acted on the bill, then that 
would seem (at first blush) to belie any prima facie claim of disability 
founded on incapacity. As to your larger question -- could Congress by statute 
mandate that Ps and VPs undergo medical checks, I'd think the power to do so 
flows from the Elastic Clause (does anyone still call it that???). It seems 
that accurate information as to continuing capacity is necessary and proper for 
Congress to have in order to decide who the proper person is to which they 
should present bills (assuming "inability" extends to physical incapacity). If 
there is some substantial difficulty here I do not see it. Of course, the 
appointment of the medical examiner here might fall under the aegis of the 
Appointments Clause, or the Inferior Officer Appointments Clause, thereby 
precluding Congress from choosing this officer (which is probably a good thing 
-- given conflicts of interest).

Again, I'd apply the same logic to your second question. Congress has the power 
to pass a statute to effectuate an incapacity determination in regard to the 
President and VP. But Article II does not require that before checking on the 
VPs status the President must be removed, incapacitated, etc., etc. Indeed, 
Congress needs to know if the VP is incapacitated in order to determine who 
should fill the Senate chair. (The House needs this informatio so that it could 
verify Senate authentication of bills.) If the VP is determined to be 
incapacitated, prior to presidential removal, incapacity, etc., then the Pro 
Tem fills the chair of the Senate, but the VP remains in the vice presidential 
office. Should the President subsequently be removed, incapacitated, etc, then 
the VP -- who is already determined to be incapacitated -- is passed over in 
favor of the officer who should succeed under the governing Succession Statute. 
In short, I think the inability/disability dance could be properly 
choreographed without stretching the Constitution. But I am on optimist.

Seth





Seth Barrett Tillman
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=345891 
http://works.bepress.com/seth_barrett_tillman/
FORTHCOMING:
Professor Jeremy D. Bailey, The Traditional View of Hamilton’s Federalist No. 
77 and an Unexpected Challenge: A Response to Seth Barrett Tillman, 33 Harv. 
J.L. & Pub. Pol'y *1-11 (forthcoming 2010), available at 
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1473276;
     and,
Professor Robert F. Blomquist, Response to Seth Barrett Tillman & Geoffrey R. 
Stone, Beyond Historical Blushing: A Plea for Constitutional Intelligence, 2009 
Cardozo L. Rev. de novo 244, available at 
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1483893, also available at 
http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=126:blomquistdenovo244&catid=18:other-de-novo-articles&Itemid=20.



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