-Caveat Lector- Mike Johnson (Florida) had the opportunity to see the Waco film. Here's what >he has to say. Note particularly what he says about the Davidians being >peaceful people. > >Thanks for your permission to send this on, Mike. Folks, feel free to send >this further if you like. >Patty > > > >>Tell me about the film. I mean, I already know about it, but what was it >>like to see it? > > It was powerful. They did a very good job of cutting back and forth >between scenes of the ATF agents testifying before the Congressional >Committee about how they were ambushed, and still and video footage from the >first day of the raid showing that essentially all the doors at the >Davidian's church complex were closed, the windows were down, and nobody was >visible shooting at the agents. There were sections of the negotiation tapes >played that I had not heard before. In one of them an FBI negotiator >*admits* that people in the helicopters were firing their personal weapons >at the Davidians. They made it excruciatingly clear that the reason the ATF >drew back on that first day was BECAUSE THEY HAD RUN THEMSELVES OUT OF >AMMUNITION AND HAD TO PLEAD FOR A CEASE FIRE FROM THE DAVIDIANS! Otherwise >the Davidians could have slaughtered the entire lot of them if they had been >so inclined. > > The FLIR imagery was not as clear as I had hoped it would be, and if the >expert analyst that they had review it hadn't pointed out the muzzle >flashes, I probably would have missed them. However, once one's attention >was focused on what to look for, then it was pretty obvious that the expert >was giving a reasonable explanation of what the FLIR imagery was showing. >The alleged explanations offered up by the government and experts favorable >to the government that the flashes were reflections off shards of glass is >too bogus to warrant serious discussion. Thermal infrared imaging systems >ARE NOT SENSITIVE TO VISIBLE LIGHT! > > How do I *know* that the Davidians, all other commentary and alleged >evidence to the side, were essentially *peaceful* people? In some sections >of the negotiation tapes, the Davidians were complaining that some of the >Federal personnel manning the tanks and the armored personnel carriers were >"mooning" them. Dropping their pants and underwear and flashing their >buttocks at a building full of women and children. Aggressive, bloodthirsty >people who had knowingly "ambushed" federal agents wouldn't have picked up a >phone to complain to a negotiator about behavior like that. They would have >picked up a good scope sighted rifle and brought that sort of nonsense to a >screeching halt *immediately*! > > There is some footage of the bodies of some of the Davidians after the >fire. It is soul wrenching. Especially the photo of one of the little girls, >I think she was around 10 years old. She was bent into a weird, almost >pretzle like shape. The expert narrating that portion of the tape explained >that she had most likely died of cyanide gas poisioning. The gas was >released as the CS in the building burned. One of the effects of cyanide gas >poisioning is that muscles will contract with enough force to break the >bones they are attached to. > > I could go on. There was almost three hours worth of movie. But I don't >see how any rational, unbiased person could view that film and then still >claim that the government was justified in their actions and that the >Davidians had "committed suicide". > > An attorney for one of the Davidians was a gentleman named Zimmerman, who >is Jewish. There was footage of his testimony during the Congressional >investigation explaining how he had recieved a call from a woman whose son >was in the complex as it was burning. The family name of the woman and her >son was Cohen. They were both Jewish, and the mother was calling from >Israel. She was asking Mr. Zimmerman how such a thing could possibly happen >in America. She had felt her son would be safe in America. Zimmerman related >as how he was totally at a loss for words and could not give her a sensible >reply. > >- Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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