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 Aborted Babies Sold As Health Food for $10

 Hong Kong Eastern Express
 April 12, 1995 Bruce Gilley

 The following is the text of an article which originally appeared
 in the Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 1995.  For more
 information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong
 Kong, telephone 011-852-27071111, or fax 011-852-27071122.

 No one could accuse the Chinese of being squeamish about the things
 they eat -- monkeys' brains, owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried
 scorpions are all items on the menu.  But most dishes revered as
 national favorites sound as harmless as boiled rice when compared
 to the patest pint de jour allegedly gaining favour in Shenzhen --
 human foetus.

 Rumours that dead embryos were being used as dietary supplements
 started to spread early last year with reports that some doctors in
 Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead foetuses after carrying out
 abortions.  The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying
 the embryos were good for their skin and general health.

 A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the
 city were promoting foetuses as a human tonic.  Hospital cleaning
 women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human
 remains home.  Last month, reporters from East Week -- a sister
 publication of Eastern Express -- went to Shenzhen to see if the
 rumours could be substantiated.  On March 7, a reporter entered the
 state-run Shenzhen Health Centre for Women and Children feigning
 illness and asked a female doctor for a foetus.  The doctor said
 the department was out of stock but to come again.

 The next day the reporter returned at lunch time.  The doctor
 eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size
 bottle stuffed with thumbsized foetuses.

 She said:  "There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning.
 You can take them.  We are a state hospital and don't charge
 anything."

 "Normally, we doctors take them home to eat -- all free.  Since you
 don't look well, you can take them."

 Not every state hospital is as generous with its dead embryos as
 the Health Centre for Women and Children.  At the Shenzhen People's
 Hospital, for example, the reporter was in for a surprise.

 When a Ms. Yang, the head nurse, was asked for foetuses, she looked
 anxious and asked other staff to leave.  After closing the door,
 she asked the undercover buyer in a low voice:  "Where did you
 (get to) know that we sell foetuses?"

 The reporter answered:  "A doctor friend in Hong Kong told me."

 "Who?  What is his/her name?"

 The reporter was not prepared for this line of questioning and
 could not come up with a name.  Yang told him that foetuses were
 only for sale within the hospital, and were not for public
 purchase.  She added that some staff would, however, sell the
 foetuses on to Hong Kong buyers.

 The reporter learned that the going rate for a foetus was $10 but
 when the merchandise was in short supply, the price could go up to
 $20.  But these prices are pin money compared to those set by
 private clinics, which are said to make a fortune selling foetuses.
 One chap on Bong Men Lao Street charges $300 for one foetus.  The
 person in charge of the clinic is a man in his 60's.  When he saw
 the ailing reporter, he offered to take an order for foetuses that
 had reached full term and which, it is claimed, contain the best
 healing properties.  When a female doctor named Yang -- no relation
 -- of Sin Hua clinic was asked whether foetuses were edible, she
 said emphatically:  "Of course they are.  They are even better than
 placentas.

 "They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good
 for kidneys.  When I was in an army hospital in Jiagti province,
 I often brought foetuses home.  They were pink, like little mice,
 with hands and feet.  Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with
 foetuses added).  I know they are human beings, and (eating them)
 feels disgusting.  But at that time, it was already very popular."

 A Mr. Cheng from Hong Kong claims he has been eating foetus soup
 for more than six months.  To begin, the man, in his 40's, would
 make the trip to Shenzhen frequently for business and was
 introduced to foetuses by friends.  He says he met a number of
 professors and doctors in government hospitals who helped him buy
 the foetuses.  "At first, I felt uncomfortable, but doctors said
 the substances in foetuses could help cure my asthma.  I started
 taking them and gradually, the asthma disappeared," Cheng said.

 Now, Cheng only eats foetuses ocassionally to top up his treatment,
 but there was a time when he made regular cross border trips with
 the gruesome merchandise.  "Everytime (I made the trip), I carried
 a Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the foetuses back to Hong
 Kong to make soup.  If they gave me 20 or 30 at a time, I put them
 in the refrigerator.  I didn't have the soup every day -- it
 depends on the supply."

 "Usually, I washed the foetuses clean, and added ginger, orange
 peel and pork to make soup.  After taking it for a while, I felt a
 lot better and my asthma disappeared.  I used to take placenta,
 but it was not so helpful."  When asked if he was cocerned about
 foetuses containing diseases, Cheng was dismissive.  "I bought them
 from government hospitals.  They would check the pregnant women
 before doing the operation and only sell them to me if there was no
 problem.  Also, I always bouil them over high heat which kills any
 bacteria."  Although Cheng has overcome any squeamishness over
 eating foetus soup, he says he draws the line at consuming whole
 dead embryos.  He also refrains from telling people of his grisly
 dietary habits.

 Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of someone
 several years younger, attributes here well preserved looks to
 a diet of foetuses.  As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Sou has
 carried out abortions on several hundred patients.  She believes
 foetuses are highly nutritious and explains the selection criteria.
 "People normally prefer (foetuses of) young women, and even better,
 the first baby and a male."  She adds:  "They are wasted if we
 don't eat them.  The women who receive abortions here don't want
 the foetuses.  Also the foetuses are already dead [when we eat
 them].  We don't carry out abortions just to eat the foetuses.

 "Before, my sisters children were very weak.  I heard that foetuses
 were good for your health and started taking some to my nephews,"
 Zou says without remorse.  "I wash them with clear water until they
 look transparent white and then stew them.  Making soup is best."
 But she admits there are drawbacks to this dubious delicacy.
 "Foetuses are very smelly and not everybody can take the stink,"
 she said.  "You can also make meat cakes by mixing foetuses with
 minced meat but you have to add more ginger and chives to get rid
 of the smell."

 Hong Kong legislator Dr. Tan Siu-tong is surprised that it could be
 within anyone's capability to overcome the stench of a dead foetus,
 even if their stomachs were lined with lead.  "When all the
 placental tissue is dead, the smell is awful and is enough to
 make you feel sick.  It is like having a dead mouse in the house,"
 he said.

 The foetuses allegedly eaten by the Chinese are all provided ty
 China's extensive abortion services.  Last year, doctors in the
 People's Hospital -- the biggest in Shenzhen -- carried out more
 than 7,000 terminations, 509 on Hong Kong women.  The Hong Kong
 Family Planning Association (FPA) estimates that 24 per cent of
 all abortions on Hong Kong women are performed in the dubious
 surroundings of a Chinese hospital.  A Ms. Li from Hong Kong has
 had two abortions in Shenzhen but has never heard of people eating
 foetuses.  "But I didn't want the babies, so after the abortions,
 I just left them with the hospital," she says.  "I didn't want to
 look at them, and I certainly didn't want to keep them.  Foetuses
 of two or three months are just water and blood when they come out.
 They are so small, how can you eat them?"

 Doctors in the territory have responded with disgust and
 incredulity to stories of people supplementing their diets with
 foetuses.  Many have read articles of foetal cannibalism but none
 has been able to verify the reports.  They are treating the issue
 with skepticism.  Dr. Margaret Kwan, a gynecologist who until two
 weeks ago held the post of chief executive at the FPA, says:
 "This is the strangest thing I have ever heard coming out of China.
 I just hope it is not true."

 Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association,
 is aware of the unsavory rumours.  "Eating foetuses is a kind of
 traditional Chinese medicine and is deeply founded in Chinese
 folklore.  In terms of nutrition, a foetus would be a good source
 of protein and fats, and there are minerals in bone.  But I don't
 know if eating foetuses is just folklore or more than that," he
 says.  According to Lee, it is conceivable that foetuses are rich
 in certain hormones that are beneficial to the adult human body,
 but should this be the ase, the foetal matter would have to be
 converted into an injectible form for best results, as most
 hormones including the hormone for diabetes -- insulin -- are
 broken down in the digestive system before they have a chance
 to be absorbed by the body.

 But Lee suggests that anyone who eats a foetus would be seeking
 a remedy that is far more elusive than a hormone or mineral.
 "Some people may think there is also an unidentified substance or
 chemical that has healing powers, but there is no evidence that
 this is true."  Lee urges people to be wary -- "There are people
 out there who just want to make money and they will come up with
 all sorts of formulas or substances, which, they say will cure
 diseases."

 As a child, Patrick Yau was fed on human placentas by his mother
 who worked at a local hospital, but in his current position as a
 psychologist with the Social Welfare Department he is both repulsed
 and shocked by the notion of eating foetuses.  "As a Catholic, I
 object to abortions because I believe the foetus is a human life,
 and I certainly object to eating a dead baby after it has been
 aborted," he says.  Yau concedes that in China, where the one child
 policy has turned abortions into an acceptable remedy to an
 unfortunate human blunder, people may have adopted a new outlook on
 life before birth, such that embryos are stripped of their status
 as human beings.

 But Tang fails to understand how anyone anywhere can convince
 themselves "that they are just eating an organism when they are
 actually eating a dead body.  It may not be a formed human being,
 but when they think about it most people would think:  'Ugh!  No, I
 can't eat that.'  I don't think civilized people with an education
 could do that sort of thing."

 Dr Wong, a Hong Kong doctor who practices Western medicine, thinks
 only the ignorant would eat human foetuses.  He explains that
 foetuses contain mucoploysaccharide, which is beneficial to the
 metabolism, but states that it can be found in a lot of other food.
 Chinese doctor Chu Ho-Ting agrees that there is no place for
 foetuses in medicine, and suggests that it might even be unhealthy
 if the pregnant woman was infected by disease.

 "Most bacteria can be killed under 100 degrees heat but some
 require 400 degrees.  Some people believe eating foetuses can
 strengthen the immunity of the human body against diseases, but
 this is wrong.  Although foetuses contain protein, they are not
 as nutritious as placenta, which contains different kinds of
 nutrients.  But even placenta has to be taken with other Chinese
 herbs."


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 I have typed this in by hand, and correct three or four minor
 typos.  Otherwise I hope I've reproduced the text as sent to me
 by HLI at my request.

 I have no means of confirming this story, of course, but it does
 seem to have circumstantial plausibility.  Sorry it's so gruesome.
 But as many have pointed out, there's a slippery slope.  One thing
 leads to another, and legalized (or in China forced) abortion
 cheapens human life.

 Posted by: Cicero () *
 06/16/98 19:25:50 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 Thank you for all the effort.  Pro-Choice people like to deny these
 stories, but there have been a slow, but constant number of these
 coming out of China for the past few years.  And isn't it really
 just the logical conclusion of the Pro-choice logic?

 From: Vince Ferrer () *
 06/16/98 20:13:37 EDT

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 To: Someone PLEASE verify!

 Being one of strong stomach and is (anymore) seldom swayed by
 the callous brutality and senselessness of 20th Century mankind,
 I confess to my utter revulsion and contempt upon this.

 I cannot think of anything else to say.

 From: kosh () *
 06/16/98 20:23:33 EDT

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 To: kosh

 I felt kind of sick typing it up.  But it's another instance
 where it's better to know what's going on than stick your head
 in the sand.

 From: Cicero () *
 06/16/98 22:03:50 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 Thank you for this post.... This adds a good bit to a story UPI
 and AP ran almost two years ago regarding the selling the aborted
 fetus.... At that time the cost was about $1.75 and the usuall
 manner of preparation was in a stew.... God forgive us for doing
 business Communist China.

 From: Jerry Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *
 06/16/98 22:28:33 EDT

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 To: kosh

 You asked "Someone PLEASE Verify."  Here are some things I dug up
 from a search engine.  Probably the most authoritative is here,
 because it is from the text of a congressional bill, but also there
 are articles that reference it here, here, and here.

 You will NOT hear much about this from the mainstream press,
 because they tend to choose not to see it.

 From: Vince Ferrer () *
 06/16/98 22:31:00 EDT

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 To: Jerry Hughes

 "God forgive us for doing business Communist China."

 I think it needs emphasizing that the Chinese are a great nation,
 a great people, an ancient civilization.  They do indeed have to be
 engaged with, but not the way Clinton is doing it.  He is bringing
 out the worst in them as he deals with their Communist masters, and
 they are bringing out the worst in him.

 From: Cicero () *
 06/16/98 22:35:32 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 I certainly agree that we must, at some point, do business with
 China.  The Chinese people, like the Russians were, are the victims
 of a small ruling group.  It seems this administration is doing
 business with that despotic and tyrannical ruling group, at the
 expense of the Chinese people and America.  Is it better to do some
 business with the tyrants, in hopes that they will change or to
 advise that when they do change we will be there for them.... even
 to help them change.  No slight intended towards the Chinese people
 as a whole.

 From: Jerry Hughes (emailname) *
 06/16/98 22:43:48 EDT

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 To: Vince Ferrer

 Thanks for your post and those links.  Very helpful.  The reason
 the "mainstream" press prefers to ignore this story, of course, is
 that NOTHING must be printed that might make abortion look bad.
 Ronald Reagan cut off funding for American-supported "family
 planning," which frequently involved abortion.  Bill Clinton's
 first act on taking office was to issue three Executive Orders.
 One reversed Reagan and allowed fetal experimentation.  One
 reversed Reagan and funded international abortion funding,
 including funding of China's forced-abortion policies.  And one was
 the famous "Gays in the Military" order, which Clinton was forced
 to replace by "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."  These measures should have
 made it pretty obvious where Clinton was coming from.

 From: Cicero () *
 06/16/98 22:44:50 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 Chow down, Gloria Steinem.

 From: gaijin () *
 06/16/98 22:46:30 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 I echo the sentiments "God forgive us..."  No one should ever
 condemn the people who stood by and ignored the holocaust
 again... we've got blood on our hands, too....

 From: Richard Kimball () *
 06/16/98 23:01:30 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 Here is some more information on this:

 The Bible warns that difficult times will come in the last days
 before the return of Jesus Christ.  Men will become cruel.  They
 will hate good and worship evil.  They will commit all manner of
 abominations.

 If there was any doubt we live in such times, it should be
 dispelled once and for all by the latest grisly intelligence
 reports from China, the world's newest emerging superpower.  There
 is now solid documentary evidence of what the world has long
 suspected -- that the biggest totalitarian state in the world is
 conducting wholesale executions of prisoners and harvesting their
 vital organs for profit.

 Worse yet, a series of shocking new reports also show that unborn
 human babies, sometimes aborted from women against their will, are
 now being sold as a popular food item or health tonic.

 China's trade in human body parts was the subject of a recent
 Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in Washington.  Chairman
 Jesse Helms warned those in attendance:  "I hope that most of you
 in the audience skipped your breakfast this morning for I am afraid
 the subject which we will be discussing is a particularly gruesome
 one."

 As for the cannibalistic evidence -- in May -- a photographer for
 Agence France Presse reported that he saw human fetuses, priced
 according to weight and age, on the menu of a Shanghai restaurant.
 The popularity of fetuses as food was also documented in a series
 of stories in the Eastern Express, an English- language paper in
 Hong Kong.  The aborted babies are reportedly being sold as health
 food for $10.

 From: Syncro (emailname) *
 06/17/98 04:01:13 EDT

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 To: Vince Ferrer

 And is there a black market in the U.S. doing the same thing?

 From: bongtalk () *
 06/17/98 04:41:38 EDT

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 To: bongtalk

 Clinton is probably working on this.  I hope they catch him at
 customs on his return trip.  (If he comes back here from his new
 homeland)

 From: Syncro (emailname) *
 06/17/98 04:44:10 EDT

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 To: Syncro

 My superficial research on this topic didn't turn up much.  The
 very few other internet references to this topic reference this
 article.  When I search on the publication, very little comes up.
 Has anyone else dug a bit deeper on this topic??  I'm a bit
 hesitant to run with this single story.

 From: fso301 () *
 06/17/98 04:59:30 EDT

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 To: fso301

 It might be an urban legend.  Eastern Express certainly exists,
 although it from what I have been able to find out it does seem to
 tend, at least sometimes, to breathlessness.  What follows is
 something from the Eastern Express reported in Fortean Times.

 From  http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/95/stdeaths.html

 CUI TINGXUN, a teacher in China's Shandong province, was practising
 the esoteric healing art of qigong with his wife when he suddenly
 attempted to gouge her eyes out, saying he had received
 instructions from a 'greater being' to change her facial features.
 Cui then attacked his wife's jaw with his teeth, saying her mouth
 smelled badly, before finally decapitating her with a meat cleaver.
 Police found him holding the shoulders of his wife's torso,
 exhorting her to sprout a new head.  Hong Kong Eastern Express,
 7 May 1996.

 +++++++++++++

 But the original foetus-diet story seems to be from EastWeek, a
 Hong Kong magazine to which one can find various internet
 references and gif-files of a few issues (in Chinese), but which
 does not appear to have a web site.

 From  http://www.fatima.org/library/cr55pg11.html

 Every year as part of China s strict one-child-per-family policy,
 there are over a million forced abortions (many as late as eight
 months).  And as if that were not enough, there is also cannibalism
 of aborted babies.  In China, the consumption of aborted babies as
 a "health benefit " was reported in the Hong Kong Eastern Express,
 which published the findings of reporters from its sister magazine
 Eastweek on 4/12/95.

 +++++++++++++

 The story was given large audience by the Telegraph:

 The Electronic Telegraph
 13 April 1995  WORLD NEWS


 Chinese trade in human foetuses for consumption is uncovered

 By Yojana Sharma in Hong Kong
 and Graham Hutchings in Beijing

 ABORTED human foetuses intended for human consumption are being
 sold for as little as £1 in the Chinese city of Shenzhen, according
 to reports in Hong Kong yesterday.

 The Eastern Express newspaper said journalists from its sister
 publication, Eastweek, had gone to Shenzhen, across the border from
 Hong Kong, to see if foetuses were being sold.  Shenzhen hospitals
 carried out 7,000 terminations last year, including a number on
 Hong Kong women seeking cheap abortions.

 +++++++++++++++

 Perhaps we could hear from readers in Hong Kong?

 From: chinche (emailname) *
 06/17/98 10:21:28 EDT

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 To: Cicero

 "THEY ARE WASTED IF WE DON'T EAT THEM."

 "ALSO THE FOETUSES ARE ALREADY DEAD [WHEN WE EAT THEM]."

 Having read this, I hope I never again hear the expression:
 "We went out and ate Chinese last night."

 Seriously, I have heard this before and I believe it!  Moreover,
 it is widely known that human placenta are sold in New Age health
 stores and clinics in this country.  I would be more surprized if
 human fetuses were not also being eaten in the west.

 I wonder if fetal canabalism will become "old hat" like the "snuff"
 film business!

 From: rahn (emailname) *
 06/17/98 11:02:29 EDT

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