Mordecai Kornfeld
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Pesachim 106: Toem Umekadesh, toem velo Mavdil
Moishe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked (in Spanish):
O que significa toem velo mavdi? Se alguien comio algo el no puede hacer
havdala? No entendi o significado de la guemara ..... e qual es la
machloket ........
TRANSLATION: what does it mean "Toem v'lo mavdil"? if one eats he may not
make havdalah? i don't understand the meaning of the Gemara. what is the
machloket?
Moishe, S. Paulo - Brazil
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The Kollel replies:
Rav Huna rules 'Ta'am Eino Mekadesh', meaning that once a person has eaten
on Friday night, he no longer recites Kidush until the following morning
before eating. The reason for this is presumably, because Kidush is
supposed to precede the meal ('Kidush be'Makom Se'udah'). On the other
hand, he holds 'Ta'am Mavdil', which means that he is permitted to recite
Havdalah even after having eaten. The Chachamim, the Rashbam explains, were
simply not so strict regarding Havdalah (either because it is only
mi'de'Rabbanan, whereas Kidush is min ha'Torah, or perhaps because Havdalah
was not instituted specifically before eating).
The above is based on the explanation of the Rashbam and Tosfos. According
to the Maharam Chalavah (citing the Ra'avad) however, what Rav Huna means
is that the Chachamim penalized the person who ate, forbidding him to
recite Kidush himself (obligating him to hear it from somebody else). And
the reason for this is because he showed disrespect for the Mitzvah by
eating first, though they did not do so with regard to Havdalah (presumably
for one of the reasons mentioned above).
A third possible explanation for 'Ta'am Eino Mekadesh', is that the
Chachamim fixed Kidush specifically before eating, and that a person who
eats first has lost the Mitzvah altogether. The Rambam may well learn like
this, though I am not sure whether he actually does.
In any event, the Gemara concludes 'Ta'am Mekadesh, Ta'am Mavdil', in which
case somebody who does eat first (even if he does so intentionally), is
permitted to recite both Kidush and Havdalah (respectively) himself, even
immediately after his meal.
Be'Virchas Kol Tuv
Eliezer Chrysler.
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