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Re:GENERAL: Free will - Hashgachah
Dovi Schamroth asked:
>>I have been trying to do my own research in the topics of when do we say
>>something is my responsibility and when does one say it is MiShamayim. I have
>>seen many different sources from the the Rambam in H' Teshuva and Taanit,
>>Ramban Eicha and "Keri, Ohr Hachayim on Yosef. However I still seem to find
>>it tough to put everything together. We say that a person has free will and
>>therefore he must be careful with his actions (Rambam H' Teshuva), yet it
>>seems that we say that when we recieve something negative from a person we
>>look at it as MiShamayim (Ramba H' Taanis) and not that guys fault ((Shmirat
>>Halashon Sha'ar Tvuna 8). How does this work? Do you have an article written
>>on this subject that you can direct me to? If I hit someone I was responsible
>>for the damage, yet that person must view my punch (which a momento ago we
>>said was my cause) as being from heaven? How does this work?
The Kollel replied:
>>1. That each person has free choice.
>>2. That a person who suffers, does so because Hashem is punishing because of
>>his sins.
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Dovi Schamroth responded:
I had a chance to go over the sources and your explanation. I am really
grateful for you directing me to the Rashi and your explanation. Thank you.
Basically, Shimon would have fallen anyway, but Hashem used Reuven's choice of
not puting up a Ma'ake to meet out the punishment on Shimon, and Reuven is
Chayav for creating the situation.
I am also grateful for the others sources and explanation of David and Shimi
ben Geira. The Chofetz Chayim only brings David's reaction as saying "Hashem
told him to sin." which is why I quoted the Chofetz Chayim as saying Shimi is
not to blame. The rest of the story though is crucial. Thank you.
On another note - today in the Shabbat HaGadol Derosha, we had the Zehut of Rav
Avraham Twerki speaking and he brough the Ohr Hachayim on Yosef. I went over it
again to confirm and indeed the Ohr Hachayim (37:21) says that a person with
his free choice can kill someone who was not deserving death. R' Twerski
brought this when saying that everything is under Hashem's Hashgacha except for
acts under the category of free choice which He left to our domain - and this
could also include the results of that free choice. I was looking at the Maake
sources and I saw that the Kli Yakar brought a similar opinion to Rashi and
then brought a Yesh Omrim, that the requirement of putting up a Maake is in
order to prevent damage to someone who is not ???? to fall. (When discussing
this topic with my Rabbi, R' Danny Myers, he also quoted me a Tosfot I think in
Ketubot that a person shouldn't walk next to a rickety wall and he said that
the Tosfot there said that a person can die before his ti
me).
Would this seem to be a Machloket? Am I learning this Sugya correctly? Either
way, I would assume that even these opinions would also agree that there is no
benefit to sit there blaming the other person and rather to to use it as an
opportunity to see Hashgacha and Tikun Midot.
Please let me know if I am understanding this correctly. Thank you very much
and Chag Kasher veSameach.
Dovi Schamroth
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The Kollel replies:
As far as I can see, you have understood the points well. Regarding the last
issue that you raised: Do you agree that someone who commits suicide has taken
his life before his time? And what if he runs into a busy street without
looking, gets run over and dies? Well, it seems to me that if he walks next to
a rickety wall which falls on him, it is only one small stage further. Let's
categorize these three sages as
1. Deliberate suicide;
2. Unintentional but inevitable suicide;
3. Unintentional high-risk suicide.
I don't think that anybody will argue with that, since it concerns a person's
choice of taking *his own* life. The Machlokes between the Or ha'Chayim and
other commentaries is whether the Bechirah (freewill and choice) that a person
possesses allows him to take *somebody else's* life prematurely, or not.
Be'Virchas Kol Tuv,
Eliezer Chrysler
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