GENERAL: Bedekin at a wedding

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GENERAL: Bedekin at a wedding

yid asked:

Some have the minhag at a chasanah to have edim at the bedekin.  I  heard that 
this is because  there  are rishonim who say  the bedekin is the nissuin.  Who  
is  this rishon?  Also why do you need edim  at the nisssuin?  Ithought only at 
 the kiddusshhin ddo you need edim.  Also why would these  edim help?  You 
havent done the kiddushhin yett so even if the bedekin is the nisssuin you cant 
 do the nissuin  yet?  Thank you for spending the  time annd effoort  to  
answer my  questions

yid, america
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The Kollel replies:

Tosfos in Yoma (13b, DH "uli'Chada") holds that the Bedekin is retroactive 
Nisu'in after a Kidushin takes place. This opinion is quoted by the Rema (EH 
55:1). However, many Acharonim, such as the Aruch ha'Shulchan (EH 55:10), hold 
that even Tosfos means this is the beginning of the Nisu'in process, not a full 
fledged Nisu'in.

There is in fact an argument regarding whether or not witnesses are required 
for Nisu'in. The Aruch ha'Shulchan (EH 55:5) says that it "possibly" does not 
require witnesses, though he is not certain. It seems that the possibility that 
Nisu'in does require witnesses is that if Kidushin requires witnesses, perhaps 
Nisu'in should too. There are indeed Halachic ramifications to her status 
besides being permitted to her husband, such as being able to eat Terumah etc. 
[Nisu'in k'Hilchasam (vol. 2, 18:22) says that many Poskim hold that witnesses 
are required.]

All the best,
Yaakov Montrose


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