Ta'anis 019: Possible Mistake in translation (and other questions)

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Ta'anis 019: Possible Mistake in translation (and other questions)
 
Yair < asked:
 
Ok, four comments here on the Point by Point Outlines:
 
1. (R. Yosi) The Shofar is only sounded as a call for aid, but not for prayer. 
 
-->see proof 14a in taanit that this does Not refer to shofar (towards the 
bottom of the amud)
 
2. Story with Choni Hameagel, "When enough had fallen, he prayed that it should 
stop."
 
I don't think he did exactly that, The pshat of "see if the ev'en hato'en is 
covered" seems to be saying -- i Can't pray for the rain to stop (and this is 
the mishnas proof that you dont pray for rain to stop)...is there a reason this 
was translated differently here?
 
3.(f) (Shimon haTeimani) The procedure is also done for pestilence. AND (g) 
(Chachamim) This is not so. 
 
These opinions are with regard to praying to be saved from pestilence on 
Shabbos, right?
 
Yair, Lawrence, NY
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The Kollel replies:
 
1. There is much discussion in the Rishonim regarding how to understand this 
Mishnah. Some say that it still is referring to Shofar (i.e. Rambam in Perush 
Ha'mishnayos 3:7) while others say it is not referring to Shofar, as indeed is 
the simple reading of the Gemara on 14a.
 
2. You are correct that the translation should be revised.
 
3. While the simple reading of the Mishnah is that it is discussing praying on 
Shabbos, the Gemara concludes that they argued regarding weekdays as well (see 
Tosfos Yom Tov on the Mishnah).
 
All the best,
Yaakov Montrose
Kollel Iyun Hadaf



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