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Re: Beitzah 013: Proof that the Levi must Grind
Jonathan Bailey <rilb...@gmail.com> asked:
>>In Beitza 13a, at the bottom, it says that Ravah says that the reason a Levi
>>has to grind the trumat maaser hes going to give to the Kohen (instead of
>>just giving it to him in raw form the way HE got it) is because its a knas
>>for having taken his maaser before Terumah gedolah was taken from the
>>original produce; he therefore needs to be penalized for that.
It then brings up a brayta to help support that idea which goes on to say that
the reason a Levi has to grind before delivery to the kohen is because just
like Terumah Gedolah is only separated once its ground, so too, trumat Maaser
is only separated once its ground.
BUT, Ravah said it was a knas, not a rule based on Terumah Gedolah!! This
Brayta is specifically NOT a support to Ravahs idea!<<
Jonathan Bailey, Modiin, Israel
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The Kollel replies:
(a) To add to what I wrote in the last message - the MISHNEH LA'MELECH is the
first one I found to ask the question (Terumos 3:13). And the KEREN ORAH offers
the solution I suggested in (b).
(b) I found three Gedolei Torah who all offered answers to your question
following the same line of thought: The Pri Megadim (in ROSH YOSEF), the OR
SAME'ACH (Terumos 5:4) and the BRISKER RAV (Chidushei Maran Riz, Terumos p. 30)
answer that indeed, the source that teaches that the Levi must grind the
Terumas Ma'aser is a Hekesh to Terumah, as the Beraisa says. However, there are
times that the Hekesh will not apply. In such cases, the Levi must still grind
because of the Kenas of Rava.
The cases in which the Hekesh will not apply are either when the Levi *already*
separated the Terumas Ma'aser from unground produce (Rosh Yosef), or by
unground Kitniyos, as opposed to unwinnowed wheat (Or Same'ach), or if the Levi
intends to eat all the Kitniyos as is, without grinding it for himself (Griz -
you must see each one inside to further understand their logic).
According to all of these approaches, though, it is not clear what the Gemara
means by "Tanya Nami Hachi." Those words imply that the Beraisa is teaching the
same Halachah as Rava's Kenas, not a different Halachah. The only one who
discusses this question is the Griz, who offers the (somewhat forced) answer
that had there not been an Torah obligation for the Levi to grind the Terumas
Ma'aser under certain conditions, the Rabanan would not have created a Kenas
for him to do so under other conditions.
Best wishes,
Mordecai Kornfeld
Kollel Iyun Hadaf
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