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THE DAFYOMI DISCUSSION LIST brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf of Yerushalayim Rosh Kollel Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] [REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TO DISCUSS THE DAF WITH THE KOLLEL] ________________________________________________________________ Re: Zevachim 074a: An Isur that falls into the Yam ha'Gadol >> Raphael Goldmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: The gemara in todays daf uses Yam Hagadol as the example of getting rid of the issur. Other times the gemara uses Yam Hamelach. Is there a difference between the 2? Is each one used only in certain instances? At one point the gemara mentions Yam Hamelach and then the shita switches the girsa to Yam Hagadol? Is there a difference? << ----- >> The Kollel replied: I could not find any examples in which the Mishnah or Beraisa suggest that one discard an Isur into the "Yam ha'Gadol" to destroy it permanently. The Gemara always mentions "Yam ha'Melach" (and not "Yam ha'Gadol") when describing where one is supposed to eliminate prohibited objects. In our Gemara, however, the Gemara is not telling us what one is *supposed* to do with a prohibited object. Rather, it is giving a commonplace example of where a prohibited object will most likely become permanently lost. If an object falls into an unknown location in the Yam ha'Gadol, it certainly is not expected to become available for use again in the future. (The SHITAH MEKUBETZES changes the Girsa from Yam ha'Melach to Yam ha'Gadol for the sake of consistency throughout the Sugya.) On the other hand, since there *is* a possibility that the object will later be retrieved by a person who will not be aware of its prohibited status, the Mishnah and Beraisa never *advise* us to rid ourselves of such an object in the Yam ha'Gadol. Rather, one should throw it into the Yam *ha'Melach*. There, no tides or waves will wash it to the shore, no pearl-divers will accidentally chance upon it, and after a number of years the object will be totally eaten away by the salt on the sea bottom. We ought to point out, though, that there are times when the Mishnah or Beraisa advises us to throw a prohibited object into a *river*. [See Insights to Bechoros 53 where we wrote about this, including a reference to your question of disposing of Isurim in the Yam ha'Gadol.] << ----- Mark Bergman comments: The Kollel said: > The SHITAH MEKUBETZES changes the Girsa from Yam ha'Melach to Yam ha'Gadol It was suggested in our Shiur that barrels of liquid would float in the Yam HaMelach but not in the Yam HaGadol, hence the change in Girsa! Kol Tuv Mark Bergman To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text in the body of the message: unsubscribe daf-discuss