Andreas Tille
Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:58:31 -0700
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Holger Levsen wrote:
thats october 21-23.
Yes.
IMHO a discussion that lasts longer than two monthes leads to nothing soIMO a bad name is worse than nothing. :)
Yes. So we should perhaps even replace the bad name we lived for 5 years by nothing. As I said several times: I'm probably the person who tried to advertise the concept the most all over the world in talks, I have the largest commitment in the paper about the concept and I always realised that people just don't listen and stick to the impression the badly choosen name gives them. If you as a reader of this list thinks that is not true you are one of the few for which thie statement above is not true. But no, the other half of the readers is here because they actually did not read the paper and are here for discussing SimpleCDD - which is one famous misunderstanding of the name. So I accept anything but CDD and I want a time limit for a decision because otherwise nothing will be decided at all.
What voting method do you have in mind? Who can vote? Where will the vote be announced?
Well, we have this condorcet voting mechanism in Debian - I see no reason to derive from this. IMHO this list + the lists of each existing project seems apropriate. IMHO readers of the list are interested voters (yes, there is an option that you buy a gang of people who subscribe to the list and promote your favourite name - but I guess this will not really happen). Votting mails should be signed by a valid key. Please understand me right: I would *really* like to avoid the effort of voting but do you see any other chance to find a consensus. We have a certain burnout effect in this longish discussion (point one why I hate it) and every time it flares up again some people throw new suggestions in (which are not better or worse than the previous ones). I have started three efforts to find a new name: 1. http://wiki.debian.org/CDDNamingProposals --> gathered a lot of suggestions - but we do not have to INcrease the number, we have to DEcrease the number to 1 2. Discussion with people involved with the projects at DebConf which leaded to DIS --> is not accepted here 3. Discussion on mailing lists. --> same as 1. I see an alternative way to find a decision: Try to pick three of the suggestions which found at least five supporting mails. Find the three most active people here on this list and the project lists (As you know I wrote the necessary stuff to find out the activists of mailing lists[1]). These three people will meet in IRC and decide. Btw, I always wonder why so many people have ideas about names but so few are working on the definition what should be named. Is it because just throwing in a name is cheap while working on a good definition is hard? Even any artificial name or random surname is fine (if it says nothing it is at least not missleading) if it is accompanied by a concrete definition. This whole thread shows some features of a photographers contest where everybody throws in his favourite image and hopes that this one will win. Some of them are good others are not so good - but we do not even have a means to select the best - because there is no objective way to find a winner. We somehow have to find a clue to select one out of the acceptable suggestions and go with this. Finally I would like to say that in case we are not able to find a decision here on this list I will not revert the changes in SVN to the old name. So if nobody has a real clue how to come to a decision here I will stick to method two mentioned above (discussion with involved people). I guess some people will call this unfair. But I think there was a chance to have a positive influence on choosing a name. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://people.debian.org/~tille/talks/200808_lightning/liststats.pdf -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]