thanks for the complements
FTR, I checked and added pointers to code

Regards,

Hervé

Le samedi 25 mars 2017, 07:38:30 CET Igor Fedorenko a écrit :
> Good description, Hervé. One small addition. I believe -Pembedded
> enables "auto" mode,
https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/blob/master/core-it-suite/
pom.xml#L322

> where verifier uses "forked" mode for tests that
> set environment variables and "embedded" mode for all other cases.
https://github.com/apache/maven-shared/blob/trunk/maven-verifier/src/main/java/
org/apache/maven/it/Verifier.java#L1381

> Individual ITs can still force forked mode with verifier.setForkJvm, of
> course.
> 
> > ok, let's share what I know from embedded ITs (sorry, long email, but
> > IMHO
> > useful to share some details):
> > 
> > - by default, Verifier forks for every IT and launches Maven with the
> > shell
> > script through ForkedLauncher [1]
> > 
> > - in embedded mode, there is no fork but use of MavenCli.doMain(String[]
> > args,
> > workingDir, stdin, stdout) by Embedded3xLauncher [2], which will recreate
> > a
> > Classworlds classloader context in the current JVM: AFAIK, this makes the
> > embedded situation really the same as forked one from a classloader point
> > of
> > view, with CLI args passed, working dir, stdin and stdout
> > 
> > - a few ITs require shell script and don't have any meaning without it:
> > in
> > this case, even if the build is in embedded mode, the IT forces the
> > Verifier to
> > used forked execution, for example in mng5889 [3]
> > 
> > - every IT that we want absolutely not to be embedded has to do this
> > "verifier.setForkJvm( true );" call, or the IT won't be in expected
> > situation:
> > as you point out, mng4625 currently does not do this call, then may not
> > be
> > really effective with the embedded profile. This can be considered as a
> > bug and
> > explains why currently this IT fails in my "embedded-ITs" branch => I'll
> > improve now the IT to support the embedded profile by forcing forked
> > execution
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > Now that I wrote this, summarizing what I knew and what was already
> > reported
> > as issues, it looks to me that embedded mode may trigger a few failures
> > that
> > can and should be fixed by forcing forked execution (which won't change
> > the
> > overall effect: most ITs will run embedded then execution time will be a
> > lot
> > lower than full forked execution)
> > 
> > the only risk is that some ITs don't fail when run in embedded mode but
> > in
> > fact don't really test what they are supposed to test
> > 
> > This seems a reasonable risk to take here, given the benefit: we'll
> > improve ITs
> > if necessary.
> > If nobody objects, I'll do the merge to master in a few days
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > [1]
> > http://maven.apache.org/shared/maven-verifier/xref/org/apache/maven/it/
> > ForkedLauncher.html#L60
> > 
> > [2]
> > http://maven.apache.org/ref/3.5.0-beta-1/maven-embedder/xref/org/apache/
> > maven/cli/MavenCli.html#L262
> > 
> > [3]
> > https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/blob/master/core-it-su
> > ite/src/test/java/org/apache/maven/it/
> > MavenITmng5889CoreExtensionsTest.java#L57
> > 
> > Le vendredi 24 mars 2017, 21:29:38 CET Olivier Lamy a écrit :
> > > sure tempting :-)
> > > But is is the same classloader mechanism as a "normal" Maven run?
> > > (should
> > > be really close but not sure exactly so maybe we can miss some cases)
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 6:47 pm, Stephen Connolly <
> > > 
> > > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Have we some of the tests running in both modes?
> > > > 
> > > > Specifically at least 4625 as it caught some interesting CLI parsing
> > > > issues, but there may be a couple more
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 07:15, Hervé Boutemy <hbout...@apache.org> 
wrote:
> > > > > as you can see, in embedded mode, core ITs can run in 17 minutes,
> > > > > when
> > > > > in
> > > > > classic mode they run in 1h30
> > > > > 
> > > > > any objection to merge this embedded mode into master?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hervé
> > > > > 
> > > > > Le vendredi 24 mars 2017 04:17:49 CET, vous avez écrit :
> > > > > > See
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://builds.apache.org/job/maven-3.x-jenkinsfile/job/embedded-ITs
> > > > > /3/
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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