On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-). What's > > the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else? > > .... > > > The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has > > stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to get > > traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what I'm > > saying? > > If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test > forward, then we would love for them to step up and start > contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project > at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a > whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move > forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo. > > But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know > their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with > others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am > comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the > management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things? > > We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could > make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of > managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith > that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else > who we don't know. > > So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to > move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come > join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the > patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and > requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to > give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed > elsewhere. > > Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or > troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If > the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first > to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks > over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done. > Ok. I'll certainly ping Stan and company. But I think my sentiment is valid even if we just move it to MyFaces. That, to me, would make plenty of sense because plenty of the MyFaces projects use it. -- Kito D. Mann -- Author, JavaServer Faces in Action http://twitter.com/kito99 http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, and info +1 203-404-4848 x3 * Sign up for the JSF Central newsletter! http://oi.vresp.com/?fid=ac048d0e17 *
