toki wrote:
> On 21/01/2016 19:47, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> 
>> this license or that license,
> 
> ASF pretty much dictates that the Apache License be used.
> 
We could have gone the ODFAuthors route and used the existing version 3
documentation as a baseline and up-grade it to version 3.4. But there
was so much static that we needed to do it under the Apache License that
the effort was abandoned.

>> wiki based or not etc etc. ad infinitum.
> 
> That is a clash of psycho-epistemological Weltanschauung. A clash that
> will probably remain until the diaper set are the PHBs.
> 
> If there are enough editors, etc, then all formats can be supported.  If
> they aren't, then does the documentation effort support marketing AOO to
> the corporate world, or marketing AOO to students, or marketing AOO to
> individuals?
> 
> Thus far, the focus of the documentation project has been on supporting
> the marketing of AOO to students, not individuals, and not the corporate
> world.
> 
Actually that is incorrect. One individual has done a print/PDF guide
aimed at students. The main documentation project has been aimed at
producing highly linked wiki-based documentation that proceeds from high
level overview down to specific detail level. At least that was the theory.

>> Meanwhile the documentation grows more and more out of date, and
> volunteers grow frustrated and go elsewhere
> 
> How out of date the documentation is, depends upon what specific piece
> one is looking at.
> 
> I focus on printed manuals/PDFs.
> 
>> the fact remains that if no one steps forward with the necessary skill
> s to fulfill the role you propose it is not going to happen.
> 
> There is a fundamental disconnect between what I outlined, and The
> Apache Way.
> 
That is very true, but if you are not willing or able to step forward
and volunteer to take a crack at getting it working than all one is
doing is contributing to the noise and not to the solution of the
problem at hand.

Keith

> a) The emails are person to person, not person to group;
> b) "You do" violates a core principle --- all are equals;
> c) It requires a person who not only makes decisions, but enforces them,
> _regardless_ of group input.
> 
> jonathon
> 
> 
> 


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