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Today's Topics:
1. how to edit the key? (Mandar Mitra)
2. feature request: searching online databases (Mandar Mitra)
3. Re: how to edit the key? (Joost Kremers)
4. Re: feature request: searching online databases (Joost Kremers)
5. Re: feature request: searching online databases (Robbie Morrison)
6. Re: how to edit the key? (Mandar Mitra)
7. Re: how to edit the key? (Robbie Morrison)
8. Re: feature request: searching online databases (Mandar Mitra)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:15:18 +0530
From: Mandar Mitra <[email protected]>
Subject: [Ebib-users] how to edit the key?
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Hi,
Recently discovered ebib, and it looks great! Since I'm a new user, I'm
still using a mix of ebib and editing the raw bib file. I'm wondering if
there's any way to edit the key itself via ebib. A quick look in the
manual didn't yield anything.
This leads me to the next question. Suppose I change the key (or make
some other edit) directly in the .bib file. Can I get ebib to reload
the data without quitting and restarting?
Thanks,
mandar.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:24:32 +0530
From: Mandar Mitra <[email protected]>
Subject: [Ebib-users] feature request: searching online databases
To: [email protected]
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Certain bibliography managers e.g. jabref (which I couldn't get to work)
promise a capability to search through online sources e.g. ACM Digital
Library, Citeseer, Google Scholar, etc. for bibliographic information.
Is there any plan to implement a similar feature in ebib? If not, do you
think it would be worth trying? I know some Emacs Lisp, but nothing
about its network programming aspect.
Thanks,
Mandar.
ps: Sorry for back-to-back messages from a new user. I thought it best
not to mix topics.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:50:48 +0200
From: Joost Kremers <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] how to edit the key?
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Ebib."
<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi Mandar,
On Fri, Aug 31 2012, Mandar Mitra <[email protected]> wrote:
> Recently discovered ebib, and it looks great!
Thanks. :-)
> Since I'm a new user, I'm
> still using a mix of ebib and editing the raw bib file. I'm wondering if
> there's any way to edit the key itself via ebib. A quick look in the
> manual didn't yield anything.
`E' does this. I'm not sure if it's mentioned anywhere in the manual,
though, except in the list of available keys.
> This leads me to the next question. Suppose I change the key (or make
> some other edit) directly in the .bib file. Can I get ebib to reload
> the data without quitting and restarting?
There's no automatic way. Quitting and restarting should be the quickest
way if you've set ebib-preload-bib-files, otherwise you can close the
database with `c' and open it again with `o'. You'll have to specify the
full path then, though, so that's not necessarily quicker.
Might be a good idea though, to add some way to reload a .bib file...
HTH
Joost
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:56:47 +0200
From: Joost Kremers <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] feature request: searching online databases
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Ebib."
<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain
Hi again, :-)
On Fri, Aug 31 2012, Mandar Mitra <[email protected]> wrote:
> Certain bibliography managers e.g. jabref (which I couldn't get to work)
> promise a capability to search through online sources e.g. ACM Digital
> Library, Citeseer, Google Scholar, etc. for bibliographic information.
>
> Is there any plan to implement a similar feature in ebib? If not, do you
> think it would be worth trying?
Yes, I've been discussing this with someone else on the list... There
are no real plans to add such functionality, mainly because I don't have
much time to work on Ebib ATM. But it would definitely be a good thing
to have, so you do come up with some code, I'd probably add it to Ebib.
> I know some Emacs Lisp, but nothing
> about its network programming aspect.
Well, Elisp is very well documented, so it shouldn't be too hard to
figure out. :-)
> ps: Sorry for back-to-back messages from a new user. I thought it best
> not to mix topics.
No problem, I feel the same way.
Best,
Joost
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 00:32:13 +1200
From: "Robbie Morrison" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] feature request: searching online databases
To: "ebib users" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Hi all
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To: "Discussion of issues relating to Ebib."
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] feature request: searching online databases
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
From: Joost Kremers <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:56:47 +0200
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> Hi again, :-)
>
> On Fri, Aug 31 2012, Mandar Mitra <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Certain bibliography managers e.g. jabref (which I
>> couldn't get to work) promise a capability to search
>> through online sources e.g. ACM Digital Library,
>> Citeseer, Google Scholar, etc. for bibliographic
>> information.
>>
>> Is there any plan to implement a similar feature in
>> ebib? If not, do you think it would be worth trying?
>
> Yes, I've been discussing this with someone else on
> the list... There are no real plans to add such
> functionality, mainly because I don't have much time
> to work on Ebib ATM. But it would definitely be a
> good thing to have, so you do come up with some code,
> I'd probably add it to Ebib.
Actually I was involved in those recent discussions.
Two approaches were traversed:
* interoperability with Zotero -- through their public
APIs (what ever they are)
* more-or-less what was indicated by Mandar --
moreover, pybliographer (sourceforge.net), now
inactive, had code to do this:
http://pybliographer.org
"search external databases like PubMed, Web of
Science, Citeseer, and more"
I never used pybliographer, although I registered
for their mailing list five years ago.
This kind of code will no doubt require ongoing
maintenance because the URLs/APIs/data
interfaces are liable to drift over time.
[snip]
>> ps: Sorry for back-to-back messages from a new
>> user. I thought it best not to mix topics.
Good move.
cheers, Robbie
---
Robbie Morrison
PhD student -- policy-oriented energy system simulation
Technical University of Berlin (TU-Berlin), Germany
University email (redirected) : [email protected]
Webmail (preferred) : [email protected]
[from Webmail client]
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:56:13 +0530
From: Mandar Mitra <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] how to edit the key?
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Ebib."
<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi Joost,
> `E' does this. I'm not sure if it's mentioned anywhere in the manual,
> though, except in the list of available keys.
Indeed it is. I should have looked more carefully. Section "Editing the
Database", subsection "Adding and Deleting Entries", para 3.
> There's no automatic way. Quitting and restarting should be the quickest
> way if you've set ebib-preload-bib-files, otherwise you can close the
> database with `c' and open it again with `o'. You'll have to specify the
> full path then, though, so that's not necessarily quicker.
>
> Might be a good idea though, to add some way to reload a .bib file...
One use case where this might be useful is if I'm working with a
collaborator on a paper, and the files are shared (e.g. through
Dropbox). If a co-author changes a bib file, it would be nice to
be able to reload quickly. For ordinary tex files, emacs prompts me
whether I should revert-buffer. Something similar for ebib...
If I can put something quick and dirty together, will circulate for
feedback.
Looking forward to a long and fruitful relationship with ebib :),
mandar.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:42:07 +1200
From: "Robbie Morrison" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] how to edit the key?
To: "ebib users" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Hi Mandar, Joost, and all
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To: "Discussion of issues relating to Ebib."
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] how to edit the key?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
From: Mandar Mitra <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:56:13 +0530
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> If I can put something quick and dirty
> together, will circulate for feedback.
Would having two 'git' branches help here: master
and dev (or development or alpha or unstable).
> Looking forward to a long and fruitful
> relationship with ebib :),
I am also interested in contributing. I've used
many reference management systems over the years:
custom FoxPro, custom Access, EndNote,
bibtex-mode, bibtool, custom Awk (really!). And
I find 'ebib' offers a nice mix of simplicity,
usability, and extensibility. Full marks to
Joost.
Robbie
---
Robbie Morrison
PhD student -- policy-oriented energy system simulation
Technical University of Berlin (TU-Berlin), Germany
University email (redirected) : [email protected]
Webmail (preferred) : [email protected]
[from Webmail client]
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:46:52 +0530
From: Mandar Mitra <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ebib-users] feature request: searching online databases
To: ebib users <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Two approaches were traversed:
>
> * interoperability with Zotero -- through their public
> APIs (what ever they are)
>
> * more-or-less what was indicated by Mandar --
> moreover, pybliographer (sourceforge.net), now
> inactive, had code to do this:
>
> http://pybliographer.org
>
> "search external databases like PubMed, Web of
> Science, Citeseer, and more"
>
> I never used pybliographer, although I registered
> for their mailing list five years ago.
>
> This kind of code will no doubt require ongoing
> maintenance because the URLs/APIs/data
> interfaces are liable to drift over time.
So I guess the upshot of your earlier discussion was that it would be
preferable to leverage Zotero? If their API remains stable, then ebib
would not have to worry about the various individual interfaces.
mandar.
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