Jim Divoky
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0700
I'm not certain what you think my "approach" is. It certainly doesn't require what you describe. I doubt if we're doing anything differently. Years ago I sometimes had to use separate asynch & bisynch modems and separate software. In recent years I have never had to use more than a single modem and a single software package for dial-up and connected to multiple VANs & Wal-Mart as well as ISPs both asynch & synchronously. I should point out I haven't work with legacy hardware for many years. Perhaps requirements there are different. I don't remember. Jim Divoky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Galgano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Divoky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > Jim: > If you have a client that connect to 3 different VANs and Walmart, then by > your approach, you would need to use 4 different comm software packages and > 4 different modems if the recommendations of the VANs are different. This > defeats the use of standards. You may as well write custom code to convert > the EDI to a specific format while you are at it. The whole point of EDI is > standardization. Conform to the standards and you can talk to anyone. > cjg > > > Carl J. Galgano > EDI Consulting Services, Inc. > 550 Kennesaw Avenue, Suite 800 > Marietta, GA 30060 > (770) 422-2995 - voice > (419) 730-8212 - fax > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.ediconsulting.com > AS400 EDI, Networking, E-Commerce and Communications Consulting and > Implementation > http://www.icecreamovernight.com > Premium Ice Cream Brands shipped Overnight > FREE AS/400 Timesharing Service - > http://www.ediconsulting.com/timeshare.html > "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know" - rw > > -----Original Message----- > From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Divoky > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > I don't know what you find not practical. I've connected to dozens of VANs, > Banks, automotive manufacturers, and > retailers. I work only with large clients and most have long had multiple > connections to trading partners. > > Jim Divoky > EC Solutions, Inc. > PO Box 667 > Kent, OH 44240-0012 > Providing EDI/EC Consulting and Contracting Services > Mobile 330-606-6826 > Pager 877-282-3426 (Toll free) > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To send short message to mobile phone: > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Galgano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jim Divoky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:51 AM > Subject: RE: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > Jim: > > Your approach is not practical if you are connecting with more than one > VAN. > > The problem is that some mfg cut corners when implementing standards. I > > agree, you get what you pay for. I pretty much use UDS modems (V3400, > > V3600) because they support everything (except 201/208 stds). I have > > implemented the IBM branded multitech modems many times with the AS/400 > and > > have not had any problems. > > cjg > > > > > > Carl J. Galgano > > EDI Consulting Services, Inc. > > 550 Kennesaw Avenue, Suite 800 > > Marietta, GA 30060 > > (770) 422-2995 - voice > > (419) 730-8212 - fax > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.ediconsulting.com > > AS400 EDI, Networking, E-Commerce and Communications Consulting and > > Implementation > > http://www.icecreamovernight.com > > Premium Ice Cream Brands shipped Overnight > > FREE AS/400 Timesharing Service - > > http://www.ediconsulting.com/timeshare.html > > "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know" - rw > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Divoky > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:46 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > As a former Sterling implementation consultant who made quite a few > special > > trips to sites to do nothing but get the > > modem connection working, I learned the hard way that the best solution is > > to use the modem and software recommended > > by the VAN. At the time for Sterling this usually meant Cleo software and > > hardware. The advantage was both the VAN & > > the hw/sw provider new exactly what you were trying to do. Even then > there > > were gotchas with other VANs or > > proprietary networks. The Cleo people usually had answers. They worked > > with these networks daily. The money saved > > by using a $100 modem was usually lost in implementation costs even if a > > consultant wasn't called in. If you call in > > the consultants you just burn money. Multitech used to be on my list of > > absolutely, positively don't use but that was > > 5 years ago. > > > > Jim Divoky > > EC Solutions, Inc. > > PO Box 667 > > Kent, OH 44240-0012 > > Providing EDI/EC Consulting and Contracting Services > > Mobile 330-606-6826 > > Pager 877-282-3426 (Toll free) > > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To send short message to mobile phone: > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:58 AM > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > Multitech modems are also well known to be very problematic because of > > > deficiencies when compared to some other modems.....their inability to > > > filter out line noise, and limited built-in > > > intelligence are just two we have encountered over the years. As > Michael > > > noted, perhaps > > > you might want to investigate other options.... > > > > > > Brian Richardson > > > Highlander Technologies, Inc. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Burbury > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:03 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > IBM have stated to me that they distribute the MultiTech modem worldwide > > > under different IBM product codes, yet these modems are <mostly> all the > > > same. > > > > > > If you pick up one of these modems and inspect the underside, you will > > > notice a diagram specifying the DIP switches to set for Async and BiSync > > > operation. > > > > > > Basically the switches for BiSync are as follows: > > > > > > 1 UP > > > 2 UP > > > 3 DOWN > > > 4 DOWN > > > 5 UP > > > 6 UP > > > 7 UP > > > 8 DOWN > > > 9 DOWN > > > 10 UP > > > 11 DOWN > > > 12 UP > > > 13 UP > > > 14 UP > > > 15 UP > > > 16 UP > > > > > > This will set the modem to BiSync with V25bis dialing options. > > > > > > Then, on your AS/400 you will need to set the line/device/controller > > > descriptions to perform V25bis dialing which is basically "CRM nnn-nnnn" > > <-- > > > the number to dial. If you set your modem in this fashion, it will > negate > > > it's use for Async operation until the DIP switches are re-set. > > > > > > This is the best I could get from my personal friend who is an IBM guru > > aged > > > 68 and retired. > > > He also stated that finding support on protocols developed in 1973 may > be > > > quite difficult due to most help desk people being skilled on Internet > > based > > > protocols only. You may wish to investigate a different method should > you > > > wish to obtain support from a local helpdesk (which usually employ > people > > > less than 25 years of age whom know nothing about any protocols other > than > > > IP). > > > > > > The V25bis command set manual is 2 inches thick and may be purchased > from > > > IBM if required. > > > > > > Also the line will be half duplex if you use a two wire phone line and > > full > > > duplex if you use a 4 wire phone line and must be specified in your > > > line/device/controller descriptions on the AS/400. If you wish, I can > > > obtain sample line/device/controller descriptions for connecting to GE > > GXS. > > > > > > Lastly, if the modem does not connect within three dialing attempts, it > > will > > > require manual intervention by the AS/400 system operator to re-set the > > > line. This was one of the biggest problems with this method for our > > support > > > people here in Australia. > > > > > > Best of luck, > > > > > > Michael Burbury > > > GE ecXpress Australia. > > > System Administration > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richer, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > > Bonjour, > > > > > > > > I'm communicating with Sterling in bisynch mode using Cleo software... > > > > > > > > I know that Cleo support specific modems. Make sure the modem is > > > compatible > > > > with your communication s/w. > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bob Reed [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:38 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > > Yes Sterling has scoped the line and cannot see anything because the > > > > > handshaking doesn't go that far, from what I understand. Also, we > run > > on > > > > > an > > > > > AS400 and are using GENTRAN:Basic for AS/400 provided by Sterling > > > > > Commerce. > > > > > I have tried several banks of modems in different SuperTrax area and > > we > > > > > cannot find a solution. This is very wierd. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Leah Closson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: September 18, 2001 09:26 AM > > > > > To: Bob Reed > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they unable to scope the line while you are dialing up? I'm not > a > > > > > communications person, but I've had other VANs do this and they were > > > > > able to provide some clue as to what the problem was. Also, maybe > IBM > > > > > could help? > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > > Leah > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bob Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:06 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bisync modem, sorry. It fails at the handshaking part. They are > > > > > handshaking > > > > > and then the lines just drop off > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Steve X Lee SL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: September 18, 2001 08:35 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Connecting To Sterling Commerce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a async or bisync modem? What part is failing? > > > > > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > > I am trying to dial up to Sterling Commerce using an IBM767 > > > > > modem > > > > > and seem to be having trouble. I was wondering if anyone else out > > there > > > > > had > > > > > the same modem and was connecting to Sterling Commerce. I have > indeed > > > > > talked > > > > > with Sterling Commerce technical people about it and they have > > suggested > > > > > that it might be a setting that we are both unfamilar with in the > IBM > > > > > modems. Sterling Commerce is using a Paradyne Modem. We have been > > > > > through > > > > > all kinds of testing and can use the same modem to dial out to > Federal > > > > > Express and other Value Added Networks. 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