EV Digest 6978
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: tesla car .. tango .. motor ?
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: How To View These Messages?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) S-10 Transmission
by Daniel Eyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: electric bicycle - need help
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: How To View These Messages?
by "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: How To View These Messages?
by Tony Furr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Fwd: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Dial Down A DCP
by Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13) Google Link
by "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Fuse recommendation for a 108v pack
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: tesla car .. tango .. motor ?
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Google Link
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17) Re: electric bicycle - need help
by "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Dial Down a Raptor's Max Amperage
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Fastest EV conversion ever!
by "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: tesla car .. tango .. motor ?
by "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: tesla car .. tango .. motor ?
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) raptor 1200&anderson double contactors
by Jeff Mccabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Trojan costs
by "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Hybrids done right, Re: Would you build if you could buy?
by "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: [seva] Seattle Sunday Times Editorial
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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i am curious about the motor used by the 'tango'
strangely the tango seems quite a dead topic :-((
..peekay
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From: "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:11 AM
Subject: tesla car
> What motor does the Tesla car, can't seem to find that info on the
website?
>
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Do you know I started to say that you were right and I was wrong, and then
I changed my mind, and now I'm not sure.
I think some folks use it one way, and others use it the other.
Typically there is a small, effective, difference between the two (number
of hours or capacity divided by) and it certainly supports my point about
the confusion.
> On 30 Jun 2007 at 21:43, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>
>> If the number comes after the C, then it indicates the capacity divided
>> by this
>> number. Again C5 on a 100Ah battery would indicate 20 amps.
>
> That's not my understanding of it. What you're describing would be
> written
> as C/5. C5 is the 5 hour capacity.
>
> Now, I could be wrong. I think we need some coaching from Nawaz. ;-)
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Well, I don't know, which do you prefer?
That is the only thing that really matters anyway.
FWIW I have it set up to sort them by thread, but that is just /my/
preference.
> Currently I'm using Outlook Express to view this discussion board and
> then
> have it setup to group the messages into groups based on subject.
>
> I was wondering what's your preffered method to view this disscusion
> group?
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To: BFratto, and the discussion list:
I sent this as a reply to the Digest and don't know if
Mr. Fratto saw it or not, so am sending it as a new
post.
Hope this helps. Dan Eyk
It makes a difference if it was a 2.8 or 4.3 liter
V6. If you go to this S-10 webwite, it will explain
the differences. I am converting an S-10 as well.
www.s10blazers.com
www.s10blazers.com/transmission.htm
I have found their site to be helpful. Good luck.
Dan Eyk
Daniel Eyk
Vancouver, Wa.
Electric S-10 project
E-15 project
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Yikes! and I thought there must be a simple answer ;)
On 6/30/07, Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you know I started to say that you were right and I was wrong, and then
I changed my mind, and now I'm not sure.
I think some folks use it one way, and others use it the other.
Typically there is a small, effective, difference between the two (number
of hours or capacity divided by) and it certainly supports my point about
the confusion.
> On 30 Jun 2007 at 21:43, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>
>> If the number comes after the C, then it indicates the capacity divided
>> by this
>> number. Again C5 on a 100Ah battery would indicate 20 amps.
>
> That's not my understanding of it. What you're describing would be
> written
> as C/5. C5 is the 5 hour capacity.
>
> Now, I could be wrong. I think we need some coaching from Nawaz. ;-)
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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agnimotors hubmotor looks reasonably priced and
a good design .. right ?
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: electric bicycle - need help
> My advice... take anything from C-lyte with a grain of salt. Perhaps they
> are now telling the truth... but I've found they aren't accurate... and
some
> of their vendors also exaggerate.
>
> Still, for a cheap/fairly reliable solution, not a bad company.
>
> (Needless to say, I got totally hosed by this Chinese company.)
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> From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: electric bicycle - need help
>
>
> > Yea, check out the Crystalyte motors, particularly the Phoenix Racer
> > motor using the 4840 controller. This is a 48 volt system bike on a
> > 26 inch rim. Electric Rider carries them all.
> >
> > http://www.electricrider.com/crystalyte/phoenix.htm
> >
> > You can get 36 mph on this system using a high pressure racing slick
> > for low rolling resistence. That's close enough to 40 mph. With a
> > tailwind or slight downhill grade 40 mph will be easy.
> >
> > The lighter the bike and rider the faster you can go but with this
> > motor you should use steel forks or reinforced dropouts. This sucker
> > will rip up an aluminum fork. A cheap sturdy 26 inch bike would
> > probably still get you going pretty fast with this system
> > particularly with a lightweight Li-Po pack.
> >
> > The only thing about going fast is you gotta make sure the frame is
> > built to handle the torque of these motors. It's embarrasing to show
> > off a high speed bike only to have it disintegrate in front of your
> > friends.
> >
> > Chip Gribben
> > ElectroScooterWorks.com
>
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I used to sort by date and my mail program would highlight all the
messages in the thread, then I switched to gmail and it will group
threads and sort them by date. It is so handy and clean... as long as
people don't go and change the subject name on you :)
gmail makes it almost like a discussion board :^)
On 6/30/07, James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rob Hogenmiller wrote:
> Currently I'm using Outlook Express to view this discussion board and
> then have it setup to group the messages into groups based on subject.
>
> I was wondering what's your preffered method to view this disscusion
> group?
I sort them by date usually.
Even if I am a day or two behind in messages, I find it easier to browse
the discussions.
Sometimes I sort by subject, although I find that more of a pain.
Sure, all the messages of that subject are neatly grouped, but flicking
between them becomes a bother, when the next subject in alphabetical
order is a few weeks behind in date.
So I sort by date & keep an eye out for the subject headers.
Chronologically go through one subject, reply if I have something useful
to add (novice here - so not really) then go for the next one.
Cheers,
James Drysdale.
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'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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I second that.
Viewing list messages by thread does make it seem more like a
discussion forum and less like the 32,000 individual messages it's
produced since I joined last June. When organized by date, any new
message in a thread pushes all messages in that discussion to the top
and the "Mark as Read" indication tells me what I've already seen of
the discussion. I have Mac Mail set this way and it makes the mail
list much more manageable.
To make it even more manageable, I have all list messages filter to a
separate folder (same with the SeattleEVA list) and can search that
folder for whatever keyword I'm looking for. Everything is content
indexed automatically, so searches happen realtime as I type a word
in the search field. Once I find a message in the search that I like,
clearing the search field puts everything back in "thread" mode and I
can see all the the other messages in that discussion. I just wish I
had more than only the past year locally searchable this way because
it really makes researching topics in this list a breeze.
It does snag the system when subject lines are changed or when
someone starts a new topic to the list by responding to another
thread and changing the subject. Since the thread sorting is not
simply a "sort by subject" method, messages can easily hide inside a
collapsed thread when started this way. Anyone who doesn't have their
mail set-up to view threads would probably never know that starting a
message this way has ill effects.
And thanks to everyone for contributing so much information and
making this such a valuable resource.
-tony
www.plugzen.com
On Jun 30, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Tehben Dean wrote:
I used to sort by date and my mail program would highlight all the
messages in the thread, then I switched to gmail and it will group
threads and sort them by date. It is so handy and clean... as long as
people don't go and change the subject name on you :)
gmail makes it almost like a discussion board :^)
On 6/30/07, James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rob Hogenmiller wrote:
> Currently I'm using Outlook Express to view this discussion
board and
> then have it setup to group the messages into groups based on
subject.
>
> I was wondering what's your preffered method to view this
disscusion
> group?
I sort them by date usually.
Even if I am a day or two behind in messages, I find it easier to
browse
the discussions.
Sometimes I sort by subject, although I find that more of a pain.
Sure, all the messages of that subject are neatly grouped, but
flicking
between them becomes a bother, when the next subject in alphabetical
order is a few weeks behind in date.
So I sort by date & keep an eye out for the subject headers.
Chronologically go through one subject, reply if I have something
useful
to add (novice here - so not really) then go for the next one.
Cheers,
James Drysdale.
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Tehben
'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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yes it's confusing i think we are talking about same thing, different
context.
if battery is discharged at 5 hours from nominal capacity (1 hour discharge
current rate) we have a current value for C/5, which is a rate of discharge.
exemple
Capacity = 100Ah, nominal rate is 100A during 1H
C/5 here is a discharge current rate of 20A
What is confusing imho is than C/5 is also used as indication of battery
capacity when used at 5 hours discharge current rate and now we have Ah as
result (differ from context)
C/5 = 110Ah
ok....more clear but still confusing :^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
On 30 Jun 2007 at 10:18, Philippe Borges wrote:
C/5 is Capacity (C) divided by 5 >>hours<<
I'm pretty sure that C/5 is a >current<. It is the battery's 20h (20
hour)
capacity expressed in amps, divided by 5.
Cx (where x is a number) is measure of capacity in amp-hours.
C is the 20 hour capacity expressed as amperes. Thus,
x * C (or) C / x (x * C is the same as xC)
is a measure of current in amperes.
These last figures are not qualities of the battery so much as ways of
relating currents that are relevant to the battery's use. For example,
it's
common for manufacturers to specify maximum charge and discharge current
for
a particular range of battery in terms of C. Maximum discharge current
might be 5C, while maximum charge current might be C/5. (These numbers
will
differ with different manfacturers and different ranges of batteries.
For example, let's look at a standard 220ah (105 min @ 75 amps) golf car
battery.
C20 = 220ah
C5 = 164ah
C = 220 amps
C/5 = 44 amps
5C = 1100 amps
Confusing, isn't it?
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Thanks for the news and updates Rod!
Congratulations John and Tim! And to the whole team - Jim, Otmar, Rich and
everyone who contributed!
See!.... It just keeps getting better!
Ken
In a message dated 6/29/2007 11:43:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well all of the hard work and long hours and weeks of preparation have
finally paid off big time. On it's fourth run of the night Tim Brehm piloted
the over zealous Zombie into the elevens and into the record books with a
blistering 11.948 second ET at almost 110 mph. Terminal speed was 109.75
mph. The powerful Enersys batteries just keep on putting out more after each
run. The sixty foot time was a very impressive 1.667 so not only is it
pulling hard on the far end it is still launching like a son of a b**ch! The
eighth mile was also impressive with a 7.520 ET at almost 90 mph, 89.48 to
be exact. The 11.948 is a new world record as it is backed up with the
12.037 run. John said they will make one more run tonight and then head
home. My most profound congratulations go out to John and Tim and Jim of
course hiding in the shadows somewhere tonight. His motor has held up well
under this new extreme performance. By the way, they never did turn up the
controller past 1000 battery amps and the Enersys batteries will take 1500.
John is just so conservative you know :-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Well all of the hard work and long hours and weeks of preparation have
finally paid off big time. On it's fourth run of the night Tim Brehm piloted
the over zealous Zombie into the elevens and into the record books with a
blistering 11.948 second ET at almost 110 mph. Terminal speed was 109.75
mph. The powerful Enersys batteries just keep on putting out more after each
run. The sixty foot time was a very impressive 1.667 so not only is it
pulling hard on the far end it is still launching like a son of a b**ch! The
eighth mile was also impressive with a 7.520 ET at almost 90 mph, 89.48 to
be exact. The 11.948 is a new world record as it is backed up with the
12.037 run. John said they will make one more run tonight and then head
home. My most profound congratulations go out to John and Tim and Jim of
course hiding in the shadows somewhere tonight. His motor has held up well
under this new extreme performance. By the way, they never did turn up the
controller past 1000 battery amps and the Enersys batteries will take 1500.
John is just so conservative you know :-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Is there a way to dial down the maximum amperage output of a Raptor 1200?
One of our EV owners wants to extend his range and was thinking that
dialing down the amperage would help in extending his range.
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I have been wondering what's up with the Maniac Mazda. A car that fast
should never retire!
Maniac Mazda back on the track is great news! The more the better!
See!... It just keeps getting better and better!
Ken
In a message dated 6/30/2007 8:49:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mike Willmon queried: "So Rod, when he's knocking on 10's will the Maniac
Mazda come out of retirement?
The answer to this question is a definite YES! There is a very old saying
that goes something like this:, "Competition drives the sport". After eight
long years it is finally time to bring out the "Maniac Mazda" from the moth
balls. Even though I have not been racing it I have learned a lot from
reading John's posts, as well as Bill's and Dennis's. I also learned a bit
from "Gone Postal". I am going to incorporate many of these things in the
car. The motors will be coming out soon and shipped to Jim, with his
permission of course. I realize I will have to get in line. I am quite happy
with the way I choose to siamese them so that will most likely not be
changed. I am still a firm believer in the transmission so that is staying.
Since you can only get so much torque out of 2000 amps you need another way
to multiply torque, especially in heavier vehicles, and transmission have
been serving that function for years. When the resurrection starts I will
keep you all informed.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Does anyone have the link to Google that is the official Google info on the
EV backing they are promoting?
Thank you
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If you are not using the EV for drag racing, then a bolt in 400 amp on the
battery side will work. Even if you are using a 1000 amp controller, the
normal acceleration ampere on the motor side may get up to 600 amps and the
battery side will get between 250 to 300 amp.
Even If I press the accelerator to the floor, going up hill, I could not get
it above 300 battery amps with a 7860 lb EV at 50 mph in a gear ratio of
13.5:1. The CableForm controller would go into motor overload limiting.
The fuse I first use was a Bussmann 400 amp limitron bolt in type that can
take a surge of 1000 of amps for a short time if you overload it. It will
slow blow if shorted.
This fuse ran for 27 years, and replace it Bussmann FWX-400A semi-conductor
bolt in fuse when I replace my 900 Amp CableForm controller with a Zilla
You can get these type of fuse equal to the above fuse at evparts.com.
Roland
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From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Fuse recommendation for a 108v pack
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:00:56 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Hello All,
> >
> >One of our members has a Fiero with a 108 volt pack with 18-GC135 Exides
> >and a DCP Raptor 1200 amp controller. The pack fuse is blown and he
> >would like to tap your recommendations for a replacement fuse.
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> I would like some recommendations also. I have upgraded from 96
> nominal to 120 volts. I have the old 400 amp fuse in place. Should I
> upgrade?
>
> R. M. Milliron
>
> 1981 Jet Electrica
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
>
> This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> I am trying to get it running. Tabitha, my daughter,
> named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black, electric
> and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
>
>
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IIRC the Tango uses two AdvancedDC 8" motors, one for driving each
rear wheel (independently).
Pretty impressive performance, I wonder how Commuter Cars are going
with them..
-Ian
On 01/07/2007, at 1:28 PM, peekay wrote:
i am curious about the motor used by the 'tango'
strangely the tango seems quite a dead topic :-((
..peekay
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From: "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:11 AM
Subject: tesla car
What motor does the Tesla car, can't seem to find that info on the
website?
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Rob> Does anyone have the link to Google that is the official Google
Rob> info on the EV backing they are promoting?
http://www.rechargeit.org/
which redirects to
http://www.google.org/recharge/
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I thought this was pretty powerful motor for a bicycle?
I think it's around $1000 or more dollars.
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From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: electric bicycle - need help
agnimotors hubmotor looks reasonably priced and
a good design .. right ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: electric bicycle - need help
My advice... take anything from C-lyte with a grain of salt. Perhaps they
are now telling the truth... but I've found they aren't accurate... and
some
of their vendors also exaggerate.
Still, for a cheap/fairly reliable solution, not a bad company.
(Needless to say, I got totally hosed by this Chinese company.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: electric bicycle - need help
> Yea, check out the Crystalyte motors, particularly the Phoenix Racer
> motor using the 4840 controller. This is a 48 volt system bike on a
> 26 inch rim. Electric Rider carries them all.
>
> http://www.electricrider.com/crystalyte/phoenix.htm
>
> You can get 36 mph on this system using a high pressure racing slick
> for low rolling resistence. That's close enough to 40 mph. With a
> tailwind or slight downhill grade 40 mph will be easy.
>
> The lighter the bike and rider the faster you can go but with this
> motor you should use steel forks or reinforced dropouts. This sucker
> will rip up an aluminum fork. A cheap sturdy 26 inch bike would
> probably still get you going pretty fast with this system
> particularly with a lightweight Li-Po pack.
>
> The only thing about going fast is you gotta make sure the frame is
> built to handle the torque of these motors. It's embarrasing to show
> off a high speed bike only to have it disintegrate in front of your
> friends.
>
> Chip Gribben
> ElectroScooterWorks.com
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HI-
Above the green plug on the face of the controller are two black knobs.
The lower one sets the max. throttle position. The top one adjusts the
get up and went.
FT.
> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Date: 6/30/2007 9:19:47 PM
> Subject: Dial Down a Raptor's Max Amperage
>
> Resend:
>
> Is there a way to dial down the maximum amperage output of a Raptor 1200?
>
> One of our EV owners wants to extend his range and was thinking that
> dialing down the amperage would help in extending his range.
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I like it.
God bless
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From: "Richard Krog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Fastest EV conversion ever!
Here's a story of the first 24-hours with my donor car...
On Wednesday, I took delivery of a 1973 Porsche 914 with plans to
convert it using Electro Automotive's Voltsporsche kit. On Thursday,
I drove it to work to evaluate it as a donor car. It seems perfect --
nice paint job, no rust, good working brakes, clutch and transmission.
A few hundred feet into my home commute, the engine died from what I
later discovered was a broken fuel pump. I pulled off the road into a
corporate driveway and rolled to a stop leaving just enough room for
cars to get by. I knew I truly had my glider.
A minute later, a very irate DHL truck driver blasted his horn at me
because he couldn't find enough space to get past. Instead of getting
out and pushing the car in 95 degree heat, I remembered a old trick my
father told me -- I put it in first gear, released the clutch and
cranked the ignition key! Slowly but surely, the poor little 12v
battery and starter motor pushed me forward just enough for the truck
to pass.
I know that doesn't count as an EV yet, but I had a grin on my face
nonetheless.
Richard
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Who sales these motors?
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From: "Ian Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: tesla car .. tango .. motor ?
IIRC the Tango uses two AdvancedDC 8" motors, one for driving each
rear wheel (independently).
Pretty impressive performance, I wonder how Commuter Cars are going
with them..
-Ian
On 01/07/2007, at 1:28 PM, peekay wrote:
i am curious about the motor used by the 'tango'
strangely the tango seems quite a dead topic :-((
..peekay
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From: "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:11 AM
Subject: tesla car
What motor does the Tesla car, can't seem to find that info on the
website?
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Hello to All,
I'm very familiar with the Tango, so I thought I'd answer a few of these
questions:
Peekay wrote:
i am curious about the motor used by the 'tango'
It uses a pair of direct-drive (through gear reduction) brushed
series-wound motors powered by a mighty Zilla Z2K and charged by a
mighty liquid-cooled custom model Manzanita Micro PFC charger.
strangely the tango seems quite a dead topic :-((
Oh, I feel slighted :-( I take it, you don't read 'all' my posts? I
recently wrote quite a bit about the Tango when the third one I've had
my hands on passed through for a visit here at the Wayland EV Juice
Bar....you must have missed that one.
Ian Hooper wrote:
>IIRC the Tango uses two AdvancedDC 8" motors, one for driving each
rear wheel (independently).
You remember incorrectly :-) It uses a pair of '9 inch' Advanced DC
motors, not eights.
>Pretty impressive performance.....
Yes, indeed! You ought'a drive one! The instantaneous launch torque from
the twin 9s fed with 2000 amps is a face-distorting, gut-wrenching
affair! Commuter Cars' 0-60 estimate of 4 seconds is a bit conservative
in my opinion. I'd say it's in the 3s for sure.
>I wonder how Commuter Cars are going with them?
I've had the pleasure to know the Woodbury family now for more than 10
years and have been honored to be a part of the development of this
unique car. The red Tango serial # 0 has been torn down, modified, and
stereo-ized here at the Wayland EV Juice Bar on many occasions. Black
Tango serial # 1 is George Clooney's car and has been here as well, and
I did some special work on it at one of Clooney's homes in '05. Tango
looks mighty sweet in super gloss black! Primer grey Tango serial # 2
(still not yet completed) was here as I said, recently and is pre-sold
to a programmer at Google. It has a custom designed and built NiMH
battery pack. The boys at Commuter Cars are working on Li Ion packs,
too. So yes, things are well at Commuter Cars and orders are coming in
from high dollar types willing to put their environmental money where
their mouths are.
See Ya....John Wayland
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Wounder if anyone could help me?
Before I fire up my raptor controller for the first
time, I want to make sure I have the reversing
contactors and controller wired correctly.The wiring
diagram I have is for an Curtis controller , but the
Curtis has a m- output to the reverse cont actor while
the raptor has a m+ ?
Thanks,
Jeff Mccabe
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It's not just Trojans that have had the price go up quite a bit in the
last year. The Concordes and various AGM's have also gone up similar
amounts. My understanding is that lead prices have gone up. Not
quite as much as copper though.
Z
On 6/29/07, Roland Wiench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I forgot to mention that my batteries are T-145's.
The batteries I have are Trojan T-145's 260 AH which will range in cost from
$128.00 to $137.00 from the Dealers depending on what post you want on them.
The T-125's are $93.59 and the T-105's are $82.65.
Roland
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From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Trojan costs
> I just bought 20 of them from the local supply house delivered at $93.00
> each.
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Trojan costs
>
>
> > Hello Ben,
> >
> > Several months ago, I call the Trojan battery distributor of which I
> > bought a pallet load of 50 batteries from him back in 2002. I paid
> > $73.00
> > each with the old battery exchange at that time. Today I got a quote
> > for
> > $107.00 for 50 batteries. A pallet load of 50 is the minimum I can
> > purchase from a distributor, other wise I would have to go to a dealer
> > which may be up to $137.00 each.
> >
> > This is $30.00 difference per battery or for 30 batteries, that is
> > $900.00
> > savings. If I only using 40 batteries or 240 volts, than the extra 10
> > batteries cost me only $170.00 extra at dealers prices.
> >
> > Use the extra batteries for a UPS system for your house, or put on a
> > maintainer and use as spares or replacements.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:16 AM
> > Subject: Trojan costs
> >
> >
> >> comment if you know better.
> >> I was in line at PepBoys talking to a fellow customer who discoverred I
> >> had
> >> an EV thru conversation. He is a bulk battery purchaser for floor
> >> polishers.
> >>
> >> Of course he knew that the Trojan is the best battery out there if you
> >> don't want to be replacing them so frequently.
> >>
> >> So, I asked what happened to cause the Trojan battery price to
> >> skyrocket
> >> (racketeering?) NO.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> He claims that because the Patent on the Trojan's has run out,
> >> Trojan is "giving more to the sales man to keep Deka's out".
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> I was quite confused by that comment, as I would think a open patent
> >> would
> >> open the market for competition.
> >> Does he mean that, The sales man is allowed to charge a higher margin
> >> whereas it used to be restricted.
> >> Defies logic?
> >>
> >> We did get talking about the new battery he wants for his floor
> >> polishers:
> >> LiFeSO4 Lithium Iron Sulfate, because they'll have higher power, great
> >> recharge cycles, but it is critical to have a controller per battery,
> >> otherwise if it gets wet, it'll dump all it's power instantly (OH JOY!)
> >>
> >> at double the cost of the current Trojan battery, I'll hold off. but
> >> I'm
> >> glad there's more battery chemistry development.
> >>
> >> If the patent only recently expried, should we be seeing 220 AHr
> >> Deka's?
> >> with 2,000 recharges? at competitive prices or other mfg's? anyone in
> >> the
> >> battery market loop?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Ben
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Why not buy a hybrid... because the current ones can't be plugged in.
The whole reason to run an EV (in my mind) is to avoid using gas. If
you can't plug it in, it's still a gas car, not a gas-electric hybrid.
Okay, it's got a fancy transmission that uses an electric motor and
some batteries instead of a straight mechanical or hydraulic
connection, but still, it is NOT an electric car. Which means I have
to go to the pain of finding a gas station and filling it -- instead
of just filling it at my house. I'm always running out of gas in my
ICE cars that only do short errands because it's too much trouble to
find a gas station (the nearest gas station to my house is at least 15
miles, and most my errands don't make it that far -- so I have to
drive farther than necessary, just to find fuel).
And, the insight is out of production. I really want one of the frog
green insights for my longer trips, but can't buy one -- I keep
looking for a used one. The Prii are nice, but larger than I need for
one person, and there are so many of them around here, I'd feel like a
lemming.... :) Not so many insights, and very few real EV's.
Z
On 6/30/07, David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 30 Jun 2007 at 7:29, Jeff Shanab wrote:
> All the sales guys kept saying over and over, "You don't want one of
> those, you want a hybrid civic...
Honda's been taking pages from GM's EV1 sales book, I see. ;-)
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Just finished reading it myself. Thanks Carl. LOVE the first paragraph.
Going to spread this out to the EVDL also.
John Wayland ! You should like this too....
From the Seattle Sunday Times:
"It was a classic "American Graffiti" moment. A Corvette had stopped at
the light next to Martin Eberhard's new Tesla Roadster. The Corvette
driver wanted a race. Jim Woolsey, former CIA director in the Clinton
administration, was at the wheel of the Tesla, taking a test drive. He
asked Eberhard, Tesla Motors' CEO, what to do, and got the answer he
wanted. "TAKE HIM !" said Eberhard.
( And they DID as the article went on to say the guy in the Corvette,
came long side at the next light, and said... "What IS that !! ")
Carl A. Cook wrote:
This is an important editorial, in an influential newspaper.
Jump-start a secure, clean energy future with plug-in hybrid vehicles
By Steve Marshall and Bruce Agnew
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003768350_sundayhybrid01.html
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