Tom Caylor
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:45:27 -0700
Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 01:20:21PM -0700, Tom Caylor wrote: > > > > Except that the evidence seems to support that our past is also > > recorded in a reality "out there" that seems independent of our > > brains. For example when we are reminded of something from our past, > > from looking at old photos, or from someone from our past telling a > > story about us, which as far as we can tell we would have never > > remembered without that reminder from outside of our possible streams > > of consciousness without the reminder. > > You have to distinguish between "being reminded of something" - here > an external event triggers our brain to recall a memory that is really > there, and "finding out about our past" by performing a > measurement. The latter entails completely new knowledge. It is no > different in principle to finding out about the present by performing > a normal measurement. > > I would argue that this implies our past (that which is beyond our > memories) is a superposition of those histories prior to any > measurement that might distinguish them, just as it might be in an > experimental apparatus measure circular polarisation. > > The independent "out there" feeling is just the self consistency of > all our observations - one that is nevertheless quite remarkable, but > not entailing the existence of something that is out there. > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Mathematics > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your "external event" is part of what I was referring to as "out there". I would argue for the consistency and the merits of the view that our identity is tied not only to our brains but also to events recorded outside of our brains. Someone with Alzheimers still has a history (and also an identity) recorded externally to their brains, a history that can be read by other persons. I know, the quantum superposition view entails that there are multiple histories being read by multiple persons in multiple universes. As I have said before on this list, I think that this just multiplies the problem. If your identity is tied only to your brain, and the first person observer moments that it can experience based solely on internal "memory", then you have multiple people in multiple universes treating the Alzheimers patient as worthless (since they know that the patient cannot remember these accomplishments), and multiple Alzheimers patients believing that he/she is worthless, with no identity so speak of. What's wrong with the view that our memory is augmented by the external world around us? In fact, it has been discussed here before that perhaps consciousness itself needs a world external to our "brains" in order to keep living. I'm for the view that life/consciousness/everything is about relationships rather than data. Along these lines, I'm wondering if the pursue of thought experiments like this, that use the past, is a valid way to explore the everything idea. Perhaps this is tied to the topic of reversibility of laws. (?) Tom --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---