On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be based on > nothing,.
There is a difference between "the absolute" and "absolute belief". I believe in an ultimate reality, but I am not sure we can see it from our vantage point -- and this "not being sure" is an agnostic position, of course. > In this case you reify nothing, which is purely negative, as absence of > anything,, and convert it to "something". And this something that you > implicitly postulate is an absolute ethical principle of humility, which > becomes your highest value with which measure everyone else so it becomes a > criteria for absolute ranking. ? I did not say it was an absolute ethical principle. I just said that it is the scientific attitude. Ethics is a hard topic... > It is obvious that this humility is not humble although it is not arrogant > of course. That kind of humility can be summarized in this phrase refering > to false humble christians: "The progressive Christian know that he is > better than others because he believe that he is not better than others". In short, you are accusing me of virtual signalling. Maybe... I am human and we do that a lot. I mean "Intelectual humility" as an epistemological stance, not in the sense that hollywood celebrities use it: "I'm sooo humbled by this oscar!". > Why we do not admit that everyone need to feel in a better path than others? > I do. I'ts human.It is the reason why We do things. If not, we would be > completely redundant. Redundant in relation to what? What is the goal? > Concerning the adequacy of the agnostic stanpoint for acquiring knowledge > and, in general, for life, I have to say that it is not very good. At least > the atheists have firm beliefs, which are a ground upon which they develop > a program for action (with disastrous consequences, by the way) But in the > meantime they have been very active in achieving things. At least in the > euphoric phase of his bipolar syndrome. But agnostics have no plan, so, as > Aristotle said, reason without passion does move nothing, so agnostics... > are moved to very few achievements, they follow with mild critics and > disdain what is dominant. Agnostic = do not pretend to know things you do not know What do you mean by achieving things? Can one achieve things by writing a book, or a piece of music, or a scientific paper, or a computer program? Or does it have to be something that forces others to live in a way that you find more acceptable? Telmo. > 2017-02-06 14:46 GMT+01:00 PGC <multiplecit...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:39:35 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > And so do you think of yourself as agnostic about the value of >>> > fascism?...or >>> > communism? >>> >>> Yes, I reject simplistic views of History where one side is 100% good >>> and the other 100% evil. Absolute belief leads to terrible ideas, such >>> as trying to bomb countries into democracy. >>> >> >> That goes for converting folks to humility and agnosticism too, which >> basically implies "humility/agnosticism in terms of my fuzzily defined >> reality bubble". That's both simplistic and unclear. PGC >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
