On 22 Feb 2017, at 01:08, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 2/21/2017 11:03 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
do you think we are that sure how to identify intelligence and
consciousness?
Intelligence (inter-lego)
I identify from the linguistic origin (Latin) as READING BETWEEN
THE (properly) EXPRESSED FEATURES - to detect additional sense
(maybe hidden so far).
Are you going to Bruno on me and adopt some meaning that a thousand
years out of date.
I can't let you say this Brent. I use always the most common terms
used by everybody, except the dogmatic minority. I have hundreds of
book on theology, written mostly by christians and muslims, on
neoplatonism, and they all use the term "theology" and "god" in the
greek sense. They don't even mention that they use the greek sense as
it is compeletely natural in a non-dogmatic context. The restricted
sense is the popular, non scientific sense used by believers in
special tradition.
It is rather incredible, but constant, that the strong-atheists insist
so much on the dogmatic (and pseudo-religious) definitions. In
science, all theories rename all the terms. We change the theories,
not the terms, which would lead to confusion and would hide the
progress. You could as well say that Earth does not exist, because it
has meant for many centuries: a flat thing on which we walk.
Bruno
I pretty sure how to identify intelligence... but not consciousness.
Brent
Consciousness is harder, principally as EVERYTHING being
conscious of itself to some extent, identifying quantitative/
qualitative (plus: so far unidentified) relations, acting/response
domains and being sensitive to actions of ANYTHING else.
Both are in line of agnosticism (not the theist/atheist kind, of
course).
I wonder if I come close to YOUR definitions?
John Mikes
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