On 22 Feb 2017, at 01:08, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 2/21/2017 11:03 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
do you think we are that sure how to identify intelligence and consciousness?

Intelligence   (inter-lego)
I identify from the linguistic origin (Latin) as READING BETWEEN THE (properly) EXPRESSED FEATURES - to detect additional sense (maybe hidden so far).

Are you going to Bruno on me and adopt some meaning that a thousand years out of date.

I can't let you say this Brent. I use always the most common terms used by everybody, except the dogmatic minority. I have hundreds of book on theology, written mostly by christians and muslims, on neoplatonism, and they all use the term "theology" and "god" in the greek sense. They don't even mention that they use the greek sense as it is compeletely natural in a non-dogmatic context. The restricted sense is the popular, non scientific sense used by believers in special tradition.

It is rather incredible, but constant, that the strong-atheists insist so much on the dogmatic (and pseudo-religious) definitions. In science, all theories rename all the terms. We change the theories, not the terms, which would lead to confusion and would hide the progress. You could as well say that Earth does not exist, because it has meant for many centuries: a flat thing on which we walk.

Bruno


I pretty sure how to identify intelligence... but not consciousness.

Brent


Consciousness is harder, principally as EVERYTHING being conscious of itself to some extent, identifying quantitative/ qualitative (plus: so far unidentified) relations, acting/response domains and being sensitive to actions of ANYTHING else.

Both are in line of agnosticism (not the theist/atheist kind, of course).

I wonder if I come close to YOUR definitions?

John Mikes


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