On 2/25/2017 11:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
<mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes
<te...@telmomenezes.com <mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com>> wrote:
>
I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as causal.
Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE
your consciousness to change you might as well be blind and deaf,
and if consciousness didn't CAUSE external things to change you
might as well be paralyzed from the neck down .
I meant and in the second sense. Take an artificial neural network
driving a car. Like me, you suspect it might be conscious -- but we
know the full mechanism. We know it's a bunch of thresholds connected
in a complex way,
Of course if it's a big, deep neural network, even on simulated on von
Neumann architecture, that has been trained on a large range of
instances (as it must be) we probably don't know how it's connected and
weighted and it would FAPP impossible to explain why it does what it
does in terms of its experience; and FAPP it would be impossible to
predict what it will do except by running it. So it will have "free"
will. :-)
Brent
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret,
they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct
which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes
observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct
is solely and precisely that it is expected to work.
--—John von Neumann
running on von neumann machine and so on. How is consciousness causing
behavior ?
John K Clark
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