I agree, please give him another chance.  Don't give up on him.  I know it is a 
problem, but don't let your frustration get to you and then transfer to him.  
Take a deep breath, say a prayer. He isn't doing this to be mean or contrary, 
there is a problem that causes this.
---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Jen
> Can I plead with you on Figaro’s behalf? I know how unbelievably disruptive 
> and disturbing it is to be peed on! I have had the pleasure. But very often 
> it signals something else is wrong. In my last cat who did this – who 
> squatted right on the bed while looking straight at me and peed, I oddly got 
> the sense that HE didn’t know why he had done it. I also noticed that he 
> seemed particularly disturbed in the litter box, and there were some other 
> oddities which I had noticed. It turned out that he had a lesion (could be a 
> small break) in his lower spinal cord (maybe his tail had been pulled or 
> caught in a door, etc), and these were neurological complications which were 
> resulting in this odd behaviour. The nerves which enervate the bladder and 
> bowel are found in the lower part of the spinal cord. Thus damage to that 
> area (a fall, hit by a car, tail caught in a door and the cat running hard in 
> the opposite direction) can all cause damage to these nerves.
> There are sometimes other explanations such as urinary tract infections, or 
> just not feeling right.
> I would think you think again about having him fixed. I agree with others who 
> have posted, that it should be okay to fix him if he is not experiencing any 
> FeLV symptoms yet. However, just to be on the safe side, you might consider 
> putting him on Doxycycline/Winstrol/Prednisone for a few weeks before the 
> surgery. There is a published study showing that people who were put on 
> Stanazolol (Winstrol) prior to abdominal surgery, had a better and faster 
> recovery than the control group who did not take Stanazolol.
> I think that the mortality rate may be due to the fact that surgery weakens 
> the body and if the cat is already battling an immune challenge, surgery may 
> be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. However, I would also think that 
> it would be female cats who would be more at risk. Neutering is not nearly as 
> invasive as spaying.
> Please don’t give up on him. He will have a very dim future, given his FeLV 
> status and peeing issues.
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-02-17 8:39 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Losing patience
> Figaro is adorable, but I'm so frustrated with the whole situation-
> I'm begining to consider other livining arrangements... aka placement...
> On Mar 2, 2017 3:19 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" 
> <bcha...@optonline.net<mailto:bcha...@optonline.net>> wrote:
> Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate these 
> references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge too much for 
> them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access to full medical 
> databases ( for free)...
> VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes.... it does indeed appear 
> that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes....   BUT... it was also 
> via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds that my Veterinary 
> opthalmologist was using off label.....  Of course the target for these meds 
> was the Herpes Virus....but it too ,is,  a retro Virus and these meds "might" 
> have had some effect on the FeLV virus as well
> had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold my 
> house to do so : )
> You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using them for 
> HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount for Veterinary 
> Use.....  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet services as I feel 
> they will ultimately reduce the number of pet owners.....  I was able to 
> easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low Social Worker income back in the 
> 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 can easily add 400.00 a month to ones 
> expenses....  Many people who might formerly have adopted multiple cats will 
> now only take in one or  two.....  All the more reason for forums like ours 
> as it is up to us to share our knowledge and experiences to help each other 
> avoid total reliance on a veterinary system that is not always working to 
> preserve our FeLV cats lives.....
> Hi Bob
> I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of Doxycycline to 
> interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral infection, but 
> here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:
> - Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus in 
> vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015
> - Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by doxycycline 
> induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III promoter - 2006 Nucleic 
> Acids Res. 34
> - Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro 
> - October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4)
> - Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline and 
> non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 2013 
> Tropical Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A TETRACYCLINE)
> - A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and 
> doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path Med 
> 41:61-67
> The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of 
> Doxycycline in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis, metastasis 
> and migration of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) from the bone 
> marrow:
> - Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of matrix 
> metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase - published 
> Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 3.
> Amani
> P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show last 
> night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who contracted 
> it and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop eye problems and 
> when they examined his eye, they found millions of the Ebola viruses in the 
> eye. The programme explained that the eye was an area of reduced immunity in 
> the body, and thus, the virus had found a breeding ground where it remained, 
> though it had been cleared from the rest of the body. They therefore began 
> treating the doctor's eye, and the treatment was ultimately successful. It 
> brought to mind the problems Yogi had had with his eyes, and I wondered if 
> the answer was similar - that the virus had had a toe-hold there.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
> Sent: March-01-17 5:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy
> Amani...
> If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of other 
> ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial infection is 
> going to require a longer period of time to have whatever non-specific ( 
> read... not related to bacterial infection necessarily)...? So little 
> research money appears to be devoted to FeLV that I don't know that we'll 
> know in the next decade unless the continuing demands of consumers ( who do 
> NOT want to hear , in this day and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no 
> hope_ for their much loved
> pets) alter this course.??? I STILL bristle when I think of the closed minds 
> in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that businessmen( 
> Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now that practices are 
> being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. hold the power of life 
> and death over us AND our pets.?? On the plus side.... with the business 
> model being what it is ( and in contrast to the lost art of " 
> professionalism")? The CONSUMER is always right.? Vets will be forced, in the 
> future, to work more closely with the " customers" wishes as attachment to a 
> given vet will become less common as time goes on and people will " practice 
> shop " for the answers they want until such time as Vet services become so 
> expensive that insurance becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of 
> medicine ( ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
> again....limiting choice)...? But... there are some years to go before that 
> happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening NOW and 
> for the next few? years for people to have some real influence on how Vets 
> practice....?? I am betting, for example, that had I had the money to go to a 
> more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more demanding and better 
> informed I could have found a vet to cooperate... Here in the "sticks" people 
> just blindly accept what the vet has to say and they still enjoy the freedom 
> of calling all the shots.....?? This WILL end over the next couple of years.? 
> I learned a lot with this first experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT 
> make again.
> BTW....? Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
> Doxy...???? I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out there 
> that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster with script 
> pad businessmen....? STILL I am also not advocating the the medically ill 
> prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will decide what is best 
> for their animal... If we are going to go above and beyond our Vets advice it 
> would best be with very sound reasoning and an EXCELLENT understanding of 
> what we are doing and why.?? Anything less and the community of Veterinary 
> practitioners could easily dismiss our successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe 
> them to " unknown" factors.....? I think this is particularly important re: 
> Winstrol/Pred/Doxy?? I'd hate to see people going to their vets asking for 
> this combination of drugs and really having an inadequate understanding of 
> why they are asking for beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our 
> forum...??? For m
>  yself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
> looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear on the 
> whys of the Pred.
> Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
> missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
> position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do....
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