Sheri...
I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the list....   The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next)  I am worried about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as to whether is will develop into FIP in them....   So glad you have a vet that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along.....   Thanks for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for a brief while.....


Bob


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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active
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So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely hope and pray the meds work for Jelly.

Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active


Here is the exchange I have had with Bob.


Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone through.


Amani


From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 5:19 PM
To: Amani Oakley
Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active


No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY strange and happening at a really bad time...

I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down while he has a little quality of life..

Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the other list members and see if they have been active....

Bob


On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Robert


I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when other antibiotics don?t work.


I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the moderator to see if there is some sort of problem?


Amani

From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 1:31 PM
To: Amani Oakley
Subject: FeLV talk still active


Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out and I really liked having the support of the group during these times ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell SOMEONE who gets it....

Bob


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Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of
your posts since last week.

About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and
we love them so much!

Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him
to have a home if we would take him.

Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there
is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone,
buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your
archives in an exhaustive search on Friday.

First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it
weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using
Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for
me!!

Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was
able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing.

I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I
know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very
lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate
quite a bit (for him).

His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I
hope I was able to get him the meds in time.

Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to
save Mo!

Sheri
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Hi Sheri

As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds.

10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI.

I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall again.

I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately.

I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of him normally.

Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also information online that they have identified a number of strains of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge
Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom

Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of your posts since last week.

About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and we love them so much!

Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him.

Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on Friday.

First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for me!!

Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing.

I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate quite a bit (for him).

His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time.

Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to save Mo!

Sheri
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