Sheri...
You make a good point...  I'd need someones help to visualize the inside of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to take in nutrition...  I know the vet I took him to did not check his mouth....  I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for sure.   I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor  as he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does not require any substantive chewing) That said...  I will keep this in the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.....    I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation......   Today his high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left alone....  I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not drinking much ( like today)...  I'm going to try to get him some SubQ fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his drinking. I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him  : )     Strangely he does not appear moved by this news  : )


Bob


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SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long enough
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Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when things go well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with Jelly today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are all my
kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.

I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you checked Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet compared to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving Mo
tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with something
like that too?

I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to work
for Jelly from here!

Sheri

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
it is that much more painful....
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit
of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic and
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a
challenge again.....  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which "
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. I'm a
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is
inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near me
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster.....
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the
little creatures that so many others overlook...

Bob


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Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my prayers.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )?????? it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook...

Bob?


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From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
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Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency and duration.

Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly.

Amani

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Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook...

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