Bob, it's encouraging to hear that Jelly is having bright spots among the
low points. I hope that he is progressing today and eating a bit more for
you.

The mouth sores are common for these guys I guess, it just compounds an
already difficult time for them. The pain meds seem to help a bit but then
they also make them tired so it's hard to tell real symptoms from side
effects.

Cats are a hard bunch to impress, keep passing on our love to him:)

Sheri

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, 11:53 PM ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:

> Sheri...
> You make a good point...  I'd need someones help to visualize the inside
> of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he
> interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to
> take in nutrition...  I know the vet I took him to did not check his
> mouth....  I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for
> the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as
> the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for
> sure.   I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor  as
> he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is
> made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does
> not require any substantive chewing) That said...  I will keep this in
> the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.....
> I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight
> rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take
> in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation......   Today his
> high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that
> makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a
> brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left
> alone....  I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save
> for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and
> Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not
> drinking much ( like today)...  I'm going to try to get him some SubQ
> fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his
> drinking.
> I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him  : )     Strangely he does
> not appear moved by this news  : )
>
> Bob
>
>
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> > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500
> > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS !
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> > SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long
> > enough
> > for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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> > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000
> > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
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> > Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when
> > things go
> > well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with
> > Jelly
> > today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are
> > all my
> > kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.
> >
> > I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you
> > checked
> > Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet
> > compared
> > to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving
> > Mo
> > tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
> > thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with
> > something
> > like that too?
> >
> > I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to
> > work
> > for Jelly from here!
> >
> > Sheri
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to
> >> me
> >> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we
> >> can
> >> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to
> >> me
> >> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
> >> it is that much more painful....
> >> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming
> >> and
> >> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting
> >> me
> >> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little
> >> bit
> >> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was
> >> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the
> >> rest
> >> of the baby food I left on the plate....   I don't know which bothers
> >> me
> >> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just
> >> never
> >> getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic
> >> and
> >> had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated
> >> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this
> >> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a
> >> challenge again.....  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which "
> >> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide
> >> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But..
> >> I'm a
> >> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty
> >> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life
> >> left...
> >> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....  I'm
> >> actually
> >> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always
> >> was
> >> turkey baby food....   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite
> >> the
> >> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his
> >> throat....
> >> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates
> >> of
> >> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout
> >> the
> >> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is
> >> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is
> >> not
> >> wanting for affection....  any time that he is willing to stay near
> >> me
> >> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally
> >> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on
> >> some
> >> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same
> >> with
> >> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a
> >> youngster.....
> >>    I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I
> >> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at
> >> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).....   So.... thank you
> >> all
> >> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide
> >> the
> >> little creatures that so many others overlook...
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
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> > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500
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> > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
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> > Been there and done that.  You don't know which way to go, afraid if
> > you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do
> > not want them to suffer  I would rather suffer great pain my self.
> > Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and
> > since she is positive, it has me worried.  I asked my vet about
> > Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it.  Thank you Lord.  She
> > is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems
> > to be doing well.  Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing
> > all the time. driving me nuts.  She wants me to eight sit with her or
> > go to b ed so she can lay on my chest.  I don't know she will do when
> > I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week.
> > When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold
> > with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home.  They are
> > just recovering from that.  Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in
> > front of me.  Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my
> > prayers.
> >
> > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to
> >> me
> > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we
> > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL
> > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there :
> > )?????? it is that much more painful....
> > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming
> > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side
> > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate
> > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few
> > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have
> > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't
> > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed
> > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned
> > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ?
> > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe
> > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a
> > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID
> > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at
> > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down
> > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my
> > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that
> > still HAS some life left...
> > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm
> > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which
> > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch
> > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down
> > his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ?
> > I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous
> > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a "
> > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this
> > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is
> > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it
> > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal
> > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets
> > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that
> > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY
> > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their
> > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would
> > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and
> > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures
> > that so many others overlook...
> >
> > Bob?
> >
> >
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> >>    2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley)
> >>    3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson)
> >>    4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding
> >>       (Sheri Burbridge)
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> > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000
> > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> > [Felvtalk] Jelly..
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> >
> > Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get
> > your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing,
> > but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab
> > results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities
> > there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to
> > see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency
> > and duration.
> >
> > Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> > Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
> >
> > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to
> > me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we
> > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL
> > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there :
> > ) it is that much more painful....
> > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming
> > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side
> > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate
> > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few
> > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have
> > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't
> > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed
> > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned
> > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ?
> > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe
> > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a
> > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID
> > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at
> > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down
> > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my
> > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that
> > still HAS some life left...
> > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm
> > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which
> > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch
> > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down
> > his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I
> > leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous
> > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a "
> > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this
> > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is
> > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it
> > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal
> > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets
> > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that
> > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY
> > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their
> > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would
> > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and
> > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures
> > that so many others overlook...
> >
> > Bob?
> >
> >
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