Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg of Prednisolone via Tablet and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).....  Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in syringe to try.... Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.....  This shelter is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change...... There are other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain.... BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another. It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad. Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code. There are unwanted edits which can be harmful. To make a decision for our babies, is hard. If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to her. It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain. They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees. My blood sugar shot up to 700 for about 3 days. I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not affect my blood sugar. In fact they don't seem to have any side effects. They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same. I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where they hurt, but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any way.
---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:


Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain.... BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??

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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 6:01:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own. I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least check it out for herself.
---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.

Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert


Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.


On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM  > wrote:

While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
for as long as I can.....
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....

Bob




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0400
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:


Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID..

Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe?

My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well
on it.  It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works
well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease),
but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since
their immune systems are already compromised.  I will be very
interested in hearing about this.  Perhaps I missed some of your
posts.

Lorrie






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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:18:24 -0500
From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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Has anyone used these for FeLV?


My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her
and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is
effective.


I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.


I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.


Thank you!



~Marilyn Knapp Litt


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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:17:21 -0400
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Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
virus on top of the FeLu.
There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?

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