Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake was made....    I am not having heart surgery : )      Believe it is our member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual names on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is associated with which address.....     Seems when I've made and inquiry about activity on the group it engenders a rash of new mailings and confusion reins  : )   Glad, however, to see activity and that we are all still here....  I always learn something new when folks post their thoughts and practices on the group....   I am humbled by so many of you and your commitment to your Kitties... without people such as you the world would be a much more bleak place for the unwanted animals of the world.....  I get caught up in " if only's " even at my age and I think so often " if only" everyone would take in just  1 animal how much of an improvement that would make to the lives of animals everywhere.....  It is such a shame that not everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't experience the joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the simple pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you watch TV ( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without the drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just relaxing..... and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.    If you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...   I KNOW you are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had not though about it already...  It's not a walk in the park to put in place but has some distinct advantages...


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Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me - it's not just spreading the FeLV to others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats. I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as a drum-especially when he wants attention!

I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)

That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have inside!

?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a variety of brands- and fresh water ?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by law ?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on retirement funds ?Pray: a lot
Will be praying for Robert too!




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I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs and cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him indoor. I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for any info
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Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses).... that is a lot of cats to look after and the expense could get rather overwhelming..... are some of them fosters???

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I have the same set up, a door with plexi so he can see the other animals. He has a bed and tv and 2 big rooms to run around, I just feel bad that he is alone most of the time until I get home and we watch TV together for acouple. I am scared of that vaccines b/c of the dangers I hear about.
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Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me - it's not just spreading the FeLV to others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats. I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as a drum-especially when he wants attention!

I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)

That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have inside!

?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a variety of brands- and fresh water ?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by law ?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on retirement funds ?Pray: a lot
Will be praying for Robert too!




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On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium wrote:

I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs and cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him indoor. I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for any info
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Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses).... that is a lot of cats to look after and the expense could get rather overwhelming..... are some of them fosters???

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It seems to me, each one of us has a different vet - and each vet seems to have a differing opinion - it's what they "learned" in school and unless they seek to know more and better info continue with the same practices and opinions- such as the "yearly" vaccine protocol. I guess it's like each one has to do for our own health care - be informed and take charge. And, it's not easy
Sandy ----- Original Message -----

From: "Marlene Snowman" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:46:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. My vet believes so although has made it clear that no vaccine is 100 percent effective and that an older cat with an established immune system has more chances. Who really knows....
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On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium wrote: So you believe the vaccine does work then? I thought about getting it for all 13 indoors but I want to still keep the FIV and FELV separated. Thanks for the info -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non. The 7 year old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains negative. The Felv has no visual signs of illness. I maintain separate litter boxes that get cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned daily. They are not affectionate with one another or groom each other, although they do play together. It warms my heart to think that the 2 year old is getting quality of life despite the illness. As my vet said, you have 2 cats and need this to work for them and my husband and I. So far I've been lucky and I am grateful that this is going well for them. Knowing what I now know, I'm not sure I would make the same decision if one would have been sicker at the onset. My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.....wresting with the decision to introduce or not is a tough one.
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On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium wrote: I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs and cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him indoor. I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for any info -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. Hi Sheila... Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses).... that is a lot of cats to look after and the expense could get rather overwhelming..... are some of them fosters???
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I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I took another FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too :). On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
No, he said it was no big deal at all. I just worry. This is my first FELV cat.


*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Pam Doore *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....


Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?
On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote: It was part of a blood panel I had done on him. I get bloodwork every 6 months and I thought it was odd too. -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested. i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard anything.
---- Amani Oakley wrote:
It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats
(and being called into question in humans too).

Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back great.
High cholesterol is all. No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 years old, I hope he is around a long time.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again
not getting group mail....
Has there been activity I've missed?? My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just enjoy it while it's happening).... Wondering if any of you have experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 7.5 mg QD)... When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly) His Tumor does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well controlled.... Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugs....currently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer scrutiny... supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " alternative " medications ! which I h ave suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something..... with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a minimum....
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die don't and the ones that that aren't ..do Hope everyones buddies are
doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV Kitties can do)... Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM... Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy is enough to make you weep... Guess that's part of why I am such a fan of animals.... they simply do what they have to and do it without complaint ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME?? I'm a more thoughtful caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you!!!!)...

Bob
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I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I took another FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too :). On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" > wrote: No, he said it was no big deal at all. I just worry. This is my first FELV cat. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....

Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol? On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" > wrote: It was part of a blood panel I had done on him. I get bloodwork every 6 months and I thought it was odd too. -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested. i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard anything.
---- Amani Oakley > wrote:
It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats (and being called into question in humans too).
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back great. High cholesterol is all. No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 years old, I hope he is around a long time. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in..... Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again not getting group mail.... Has there been activity I've missed?? My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just enjoy it while it's happening).... Wondering if any of you have experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 7.5 mg QD)... When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly) His Tumor does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well controlled.... Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugs....currently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer scrutiny... supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " alternative " medications !
which I h ave suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something..... with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a minimum....
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die don't and the ones that that aren't ..do Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV Kitties can do)... Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM... Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy is enough to make you weep... Guess that's part of why I am such a fan of animals.... they simply do what they have to and do it without complaint ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME?? I'm a more thoughtful caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you!!!!)...
Bob
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