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Re: [Flexradio] FlexRadio Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6 - Quality SDR audio

Hank Wolfla
Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:45:46 -0800

Quality Audio for SDR radio's.

As most everyone knows the quality of computer speakers is not the greatest,
and the amplifier's used in these speakers is rather poor with limited power
output.  I have installed a quality 75 watt per channel stereo amplifier and
a set of speakers used as rear audio for a theater system.   These speakers
have a good low and medium frequency response.  Using this setup, the radio
quality of the SDR 5000 can be appreciated.  I think that by having plenty
of power, but running the power at a low range gives me excellent range with
the speakers.  Look around for a used stereo amplifier and a set of small
theater speakers and I think you will be impressed on how your SDR radio
sounds.

I have not problems with RFI using a ALS 600 solid state amplifier.  RFI
chokes on all leads.

73,

Hank
K9LZJ

Hank Wolfla
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Speaker project (was the 'bose speakers') (K0DAN)
   2. New 5000a owner (James E Watts)
   3. Re: New 5000a owner (Alan NV8A)
   4. Fw: Re:  New 5000a owner (dan edwards)
   5. Re: New 5000a Owner (James E Watts)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:09:42 -0600
From: "K0DAN" <k0...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Speaker project (was the 'bose speakers')
To: "Richard W. Solomon" <w1...@earthlink.net>,
        <flexradio@flex-radio.biz>
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A build-our-own speaker project is ineed a worthy and interesting project.

With that said, I have never had the time nor inclination to do so...for my
home theater interests, I buy comercial products. For my ham radio
interests, I have gotten VERY good results from visiting Salvation Army,
Goodwill, and other thrift stores....they always carry some inventory of
stereo tuner/amplifiers, speakers, etc. Some of these are junk, and
sometimes you will be surprised when you find pretty decent stuff (I once
got a pair of big JBL speakers for $50...woodwrok was a little messed up,
but the speakers sounded great). Generally the prices on this stuff are
pretty low...and they are plug & play, and with a right/left balance control
you can mix two audio inputs. If you don't have great apeakers, the addition
of a small subwoofer will make ESSB or plate modulated AM on 75M sound
really good. This is not audiophile (audiophool?) quality, but is VERY good
for ham applications, and might be another option for FLEX (and other)
operators who want to have some decent speakers and audio.

It's a case of apples and oranges: are homebrew or commercial speakers
intended for the hamshack, or studio monitors, or high-end home theater?
Once size does not fit all.

BTW, I have two thrift-store tuner/amplifiers in the hamshack...one drives a
pair of old Yamaha bookshelf speakers, the other drives a pair of the old
Radio Shack "Optimus" bookshelf speakers. Both have a small subwoofer...the
audio is really good. Would I use this for my home theater? Probably not,
but works great in the hamshack.

I use ZIP cord to feed the speakers, I have no idea if theyr are "shielded"
or not (what does this mean, anyway?), and ditto with the tuner/amplifiers
(both Yamaha in my case)...I have never had RFI with these devices, and I
often run full limit QRO and have both coax and ladderline feeders in the
shack.

As always YMMV!

GL es 73

Dan
K0DAN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard W. Solomon" <w1...@earthlink.net>
To: <flexradio@flex-radio.biz>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Speaker project (was the 'bose speakers')


> Radio Shack sold a small Stereo Amplifier that appears on the
> "evil empire" every so often. I use one with a pair of Bose
> "Cube" speakers. Works very well.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Tim Ellison <telli...@itsco.com>
>>Sent: Feb 5, 2010 12:02 AM
>>To: "audio...@charter.net" <audio...@charter.net>, Dudley Hurry
>><jhu...@austin.rr.com>
>>Cc: 'FLEX USERS' <flexradio@flex-radio.biz>
>>Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Speaker project (was the 'bose speakers')
>>
>> You could use a stereo kit PA.  Like one of these
>>http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/complete.htm#Amplifier%20Kits%2
0And%20Modules
>>
>>
>>
>>-Tim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
>>[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jim Barber
>>Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:42 PM
>>To: Dudley Hurry
>>Cc: 'FLEX USERS'
>>Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Speaker project (was the 'bose speakers')
>>
>>Hi Dudley,
>>
>>The time... The 'audioguy' always has the time for speaker projects, but
>>I'll concede that you may not. :-)
>>
>>The size - yes, even the "small" version may be bigger than a pair of
>>micro PC speakers. Once cab I was tinkering with tonight is 6x6x6"
>>internal volume and made from 1/2" MDF. They can get bigger and smaller.
>>
>>Well shielded from RF - That will be attended to in the separate amplifier
>>section. Both for goes-in and goes-out, since the amp module I'm working
>>with is Class D and can generate some hash unless put in a metal box and
>>bypassed/choked. If someone comes up with an inexpensive linear amp
>>module, kit or design that meets spec we can look at that too. Class D is
>>nice because it can be tucked away in a diecast box without heat issues.
>>
>>Sound quality vs size - not sure what you mean there. The point of doing
>>this is to build a first rate speaker. Unless you're talking trade-off,
>>which is a matter of preference. You may prefer small for convenience.
>>I'm a believer that where speakers are concerned, QRO is the way to go,
>>although a 7" cube isn't what I'd call all THAT large.
>>
>>Price - It would be tough to match the $69 you mention, yes. The smaller
>>design may do it, we'll certainly try.
>>
>>73,
>>Jim, N7CXI
>>(going where angels fear to tread)
>>
>>
>>Dudley Hurry wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> There are just a few issues with the speaker project as far as I am
>>> concerned, for the Flex. .
>>> First is the time.
>>> Second the size
>>> Third being well shielded from RF.
>>> Fourth, guess sound quality verses size.
>>> I have been extremely happy with my Boses,  mainly for the sound/size,
>>> they will fit in a brief case,  sound very good for the size,  even in
>>> CW,  and were only $69.. And they are well shielded, and self powered..
>>> Very hard to beat..
>>> Now for my stereo system,  I just might do something like that,  a
>>> good set ,  even in a kit will be in the $350 range.
>>> Good luck in the project
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>> WA5QPZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Barber wrote:
>>>> Tim, W4TME made some excellent suggestions regarding the speaker
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> I'll work up a high quality, medium-size design as a "case study",
>>>> then provide notes, design details and construction info for perhaps
>>>> two alternatives - one larger and one smaller, for example. That way
>>>> those who really want to dig into the details can, while those that
>>>> just want to build a great-sounding speaker for their great-sounding
>>>> radio can do that too.
>>>>
>>>> Suitable amplifiers will be handled as a separate section, since in
>>>> some cases it won't be required.
>>>>
>>>> 73 and more later,
>>>> --jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Barber, N7CXI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:51:12 -0500
From: James E Watts <rag...@suddenlink.net>
Subject: [Flexradio] New 5000a owner
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
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Well, I took the plunge and received my Flex 5000a with second receiver
Wednesday, 2-03-2010. This is my second try with the Flex 5000 as I
purchased one about 2 years ago and I just wasn't happy with it and sent it
back after 2 weeks. I had lots of drop outs and constantly had to stop and
start the PowerSDR software. This time, I decided to dedicate a computer for
the Flex with Windows 7 installed and all the necessary services removed, in
other words a very basic, stripped down OS. I'm having much better luck this
time. This seems very stable and I haven't had to restart the PowerSDR
software any at all because of drop outs or non responsiveness. I believe
this is the way to go with a Flex radio. 

Now, on to a few observations:

Receiver 1 can't be muted without muting both receivers, is this by design
or have I missed a setting somewhere?

RX2 can't remember where I was on other bands, I have to constantly reset
Mode and filter settings each time I change bands on the 2nd receiver,
again, have I missed a setting here?

Besides these 2 or 3 minor annoyances, I'm very happy with my Flex this time
around. Also, I thought I would pass on a performance enhancer for Vista and
Windows 7 users. I was fortunate to be able to find a PCI slot to put my TI
Firewire card in that didn't share IRQ's with anything else, but theres a
tweak that will allow you to set your 1394 PCI card IRQ to have number one
priority. It's called IRQpriority and the link will have a step by step
guide. Caution, it does require editing your registry and adding a key, but
this guide will step you through it with screen shots.

http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-vista-tips/manage-irq-settings-windows-vista
-7/

I look forward to hearing from other flexers,

James, W8GN


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:14:04 -0500
From: Alan NV8A <n...@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a owner
To: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>
Cc: James E Watts <rag...@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4b6c982c.40...@charter.net>
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On 02/05/10 04:51 pm, James E Watts wrote:
>...I thought I would pass on a performance enhancer for Vista and Windows 7
users. I was fortunate to be able to find a PCI slot to put my TI Firewire
card in that didn't share IRQ's with anything else, but theres a tweak that
will allow you to set your 1394 PCI card IRQ to have number one priority.
It's called IRQpriority and the link will have a step by step guide.
Caution, it does require editing your registry and adding a key, but this
guide will step you through it with screen shots.
>
>
http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-vista-tips/manage-irq-settings-windows-vista
-7/

I immediately looked this up because I thought it might help me too, 
although I have WinXP rather than Vista or Win7. This is what I found:

'Myth - "Adjusting the Priority of IRQs especially IRQ 8 improves system 
performance."

Reality - "IRQs don't even HAVE a concept of "priority" in the NT 
family; they do have something called "IRQL" (interrupt request level) 
associated with them. But the interval timer interrupt is already 
assigned a higher IRQL than any I/O devices, second only to the 
inter-processor interrupt used in an MP machine. The NT family of OSes 
don't even use the real-time clock (IRQ 8) for time keeping in the first 
place! They use programmable interval timer (8254, on IRQ 0) for driving 
system time keeping, CPU time accounting, and so on. IRQ 8 is used for 
profiling, but profiling is almost never turned on except in very rare 
development environments. Even if it was possible it doesn't even make 
sense why adjusting the real-time clock priority would boost 
performance? The real-time clock is associated with time keeping not CPU 
frequency. I would not be surprised if this originated in an 
overclocking forum somewhere. This "tweak" can be found in most XP 
all-in-one tweaking applications. This is a perfect example of why they 
are not recommended."'

73

Alan NV8A



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:51:36 -0800 (PST)
From: dan edwards <w...@att.net>
Subject: [Flexradio] Fw: Re:  New 5000a owner
To: flex list <flexradio@flex-radio.biz>
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--- On Fri, 2/5/10, dan edwards <w...@att.net> wrote:

From: dan edwards <w...@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a owner
To: "Alan NV8A" <n...@charter.net>
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:51 PM

i'm confused...
should i hack my registry in win7 32 bit to 'prioritize' JUST the IRQ of
myfirewire card ??
73, w5xz, dan

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Alan NV8A <n...@charter.net> wrote:

From: Alan NV8A <n...@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a owner
To: "FlexRadio Reflector" <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>
Cc: "James E Watts" <rag...@suddenlink.net>
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:14 PM

On 02/05/10 04:51 pm, James E Watts wrote:
> ...I thought I would pass on a performance enhancer for Vista and Windows
7 users. I was fortunate to be able to find a PCI slot to put my TI Firewire
card in that didn't
 share IRQ's with anything else, but theres a tweak that will allow you to
set your 1394 PCI card IRQ to have number one priority. It's called
IRQpriority and the link will have a step by step guide. Caution, it does
require editing your registry and adding a key, but this guide will step you
through it with screen shots.
> 
>
http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-vista-tips/manage-irq-settings-windows-vista
-7/

I immediately looked this up because I thought it might help me too,
although I have WinXP rather than Vista or Win7. This is what I found:

'Myth - "Adjusting the Priority of IRQs especially IRQ 8 improves system
performance."

Reality - "IRQs don't even HAVE a concept of "priority" in the NT family;
they do have something called "IRQL" (interrupt request level) associated
with them. But the interval timer
 interrupt is already assigned a higher IRQL than any I/O devices, second
only to the inter-processor interrupt used in an MP machine. The NT family
of OSes don't even use the real-time clock (IRQ 8) for time keeping in the
first place! They use programmable interval timer (8254, on IRQ 0) for
driving system time keeping, CPU time accounting, and so on. IRQ 8 is used
for profiling, but profiling is almost never turned on except in very rare
development environments. Even if it was possible it doesn't even make sense
why adjusting the real-time clock priority would boost performance? The
real-time clock is associated with time keeping not CPU frequency. I would
not be surprised if this originated in an overclocking forum somewhere. This
"tweak" can be found in most XP all-in-one tweaking applications. This is a
perfect example of why they are not recommended."'

73

Alan NV8A

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:03:45 -0500
From: James E Watts <rag...@suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner
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Dan,

Call I can tell you is what I completed on my machine. Alan's research spoke
of a tweak dealing with IRQ 8, but I just added an IRQPriority for the IRQ
of my PCI 1394 Card, which happened to be IRQ18.

Jim


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