Hi, Thanks Edward for the links.
All the best with the AR work everyone doing that. I go along with Alan, Eric and Pablo. 1:1 Scale is fine, but what detail is wanted, what resolution, what objects are simplified in this map? We can’t have all views from everywhere unless they are in some way generalised! As a geographer I am focusing at a human scale, and at the moment I am doing social simulation work with a model that operates on the individual person level, but which contains details of each individuals family relationships, location, destination, heading and a history of interactions. I think a measure of scale ratio is most useful when considering cartographic generalisation or magnification or shrinkage of images. Scale itself is important when considering high resolution spatial-temporal-attribute data models, but the closer these become to 1:1 for any slice through that tri-space, the less one can assert the scale ratio and attach meaning to it. I like the different resolution models suggested in Permutation City by Greg Egan, a stimulating read if you have the time… Of course atoms aren’t really the smallest stuff! Anyway… back to work… Best wishes, Andy http://www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/people/a.turner/ From: geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org [mailto:geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org] On Behalf Of Pablo Rodríguez Madroño Sent: 09 February 2010 11:10 To: geowanking Subject: Re: [Geowanking] 1:1 scale mapping But I think that AR is not strictly producing maps, at least in a "classical" sense. It only appends a set of 1:1 features to a physical reality, and the results lose all the practicity once the reality goes away. For me, the maps of Borges and Carroll are impractical in the sense that the base cartography is part of the result, whereas in AR there is no base cartography, and that's what makes the idea so powerful. -- Pablo Rodríguez Madroño 2010/2/9 Eric Wolf <ebw...@gmail.com<mailto:ebw...@gmail.com>> Don't forget that we regularly see maps that are even larger scale than 1:1! Xrays, circuit diagrams, CPU lithographs, organic chemical symbols. And CAD normally deals with what is essentially a 1:1 map. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf New! 720-334-7734 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography GPG Public Key: http://www.h4h.net/ebwolf.public.key.txt On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Edward Vielmetti <edward.vielme...@gmail.com<mailto:edward.vielme...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sounds like maps of Michigan. some examples http://www.michiganmittens.com/ http://cartophilia.com/blog/2008/11/michigan-mittens.html http://www.michiblogger.net/372.php and this from London http://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/02/glove-map/ On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:20 AM, R E Sieber <resie...@gmail.com<mailto:resie...@gmail.com>> wrote: > They’re also referred to as anthropomorphic maps. Got this one from one of > my listservs" > >>AM are exactly scale 1:1. Anthropomorphic (body-part) maps were generated >> by configuring the virtual body of a god or goddess over the area to be >> mapped. Areas under each part of that body received the name of that part. >> These maps equate geography with (human) anatomy to produce place names that >> indicate where they are located relative to other places on the same map. > >>Examples of these maps include "Old Man" Napi (creator of the Blackfoot >> indians) and his "Old Woman" wife in Alberta, Canada; Hermes centered at Mt. >> Hermon (now on the Israeli-Syrian cease-fire line); and Aphrodite in north >> Africa. > > Renee > > > Alan Keown wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >> Lewis Carrol was, in my opinion, fascinated by the apparent absurdities >> that Mathematical concepts can generate when partnered with unbridled >> extrapolation (or interpolation). >> >> As a reality check I would say that >> >> § “we” are not really creating maps; we make “models” of the real world >> that can be presented as maps. >> >> § it will be a long time before we have anything like general coverage at >> a “scale” of even 1:1000, let alone 1:1 >> >> § “we” will not map everything – leaves on trees, blades of grass, door >> handles (the list goes on) >> >> Which leads me to the email signature I used to use before adopting the >> Sylvie and Bruno quote several years ago: >> >> “If I have a 1:1 model of the universe, does that make me God?” >> >> Cheers >> >> AlanK >> >> /“…And then came the grandest idea of all! / >> >> /We actually made a map of the country, on the scale of a mile to the >> mile!/ >> >> /Have you used it much? I enquired. // >> //It has never been spread out, yet, said Mein Herr: / >> >> /the farmers objected:/ >> >> /they said it would cover the whole country, and shut out the sunlight!/ >> >> /So we now use the country itself, as its own map, and I assure you it >> does nearly as well…”/ >> — Lewis Carroll. /The complete Sylvie and Bruno./ 1893. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* >> geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org<mailto:geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org> >> [mailto:geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org<mailto:geowanking-boun...@geowanking.org>] >> *On Behalf Of *Mike Liebhold >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 February 2010 10:22 AM >> *To:* David Asbury >> *Cc:* geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:geowanking@geowanking.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [Geowanking] 1:1 scale mapping >> >> wow thanks to both! this is a trove! >> http://3stages.org/c/gq.cgi?first=QAMAP >> >> jorge luis borges, lewis carrol, gregory bateson, david foster wallace, >> ... >> >> the crazy thing is we're building this 1:1 AR map. modern augmented >> aeality is becoming precisely what lewis carrol said here: " the country >> itself, as its own map" >> >> >> >> >> On 2/8/10 2:44 PM, David Asbury wrote: >> >> And, of course, the classic: >> >> And then came the grandest idea of all! We actually made a map of the >> country, on the scale of a mile to the mile!" >> >> "Have you used it much?" I enquired. >> >> "It has never been spread out, yet," said Mein Herr: "the farmers >> objected: they said it would cover the whole country, and shut out the >> sunlight! So we now use the country itself, as its own map, and I assure you >> it does nearly as well. >> >> -- Lewis Carroll, Sylvie and Bruno Concluded (1893). >> >> Here are a number of other thoughts... >> >> http://3stages.org/c/gq.cgi?first=QAMAP >> >> David >> >> Brandon Martin-Anderson wrote: >> >> Here's a story about 1:1 mapping: >> >> """ >> On Exactitude in Science . . . In that Empire, the Art of Cartography >> attained such Perfection that the map of a single Province occupied >> the entirety of a City, and the map of the Empire, the entirety of a >> Province. In time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and >> the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire whose size was >> that of the Empire, and which coincided point for point with it. The >> following Generations, who were not so fond of the Study of >> Cartography as their Forebears had been, saw that that vast Map was >> Useless, and not without some Pitilessness was it, that they delivered >> it up to the Inclemencies of Sun and Winters. In the Deserts of the >> West, still today, there are Tattered Ruins of that Map, inhabited by >> Animals and Beggars; in all the Land there is no other Relic of the >> Disciplines of Geography. >> >> Suarez Miranda,Viajes de varones prudentes, Libro IV,Cap. XLV, Lerida, >> 1658 >> >> From Jorge Luis Borges, Collected Fictions, Translated by Andrew >> >> Hurley Copyright Penguin 1999 . >> """ >> >> -B >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Mike Liebhold >> <m...@well.com<mailto:m...@well.com>> >> <mailto:m...@well.com<mailto:m...@well.com>> wrote: >> >> the arrival of viewfinder AR (augmented reality) is opening lots of >> opportunities for near field focal plane maps of very dense local data. >> >> e.g. "show me labels, links, annotations and attributes for things and >> places in my field of view" >> >> is 1:1 scale mapping a reasonable idea? >> >> can anyone here share pointers or stories about 1:1 scale mapping and why >> the idea has generated ridicule in the past? >> >> >> ??? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geowanking mailing list >> Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> >> <mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org>> >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geowanking mailing list >> Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> >> <mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org>> >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geowanking mailing list >> Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > -- Edward Vielmetti Ann Arbor, MI 48104 Google Voice: +1 734 330 2465 Web: http://vielmetti.typepad.com _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list Geowanking@geowanking.org<mailto:Geowanking@geowanking.org> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
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