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Subject:  kisah murtad



Assalamualaikum

emm..patut la darah orang murtad ini HALAL utk dibunuh.... seram pula bila
baca pengakuan depa ni..

Nau'zubillah , minta dijauhkan perkara2 ini berlaku dikalangan kita dan
keturunan kita..  Semoga Allah akan menetapkan hati kita dan tidak
dibolak-balikkan setelah diberikan petunjuk hidayahNya.. Semoga kita semua
akan dimatikan di dalam keadaan husnul khotimah dan dijauhkan dari mati di
dalam keadaan su'ul khotimah...

amin...Hanya padaMu ku sembah dan hanya padaMu ku meminta pertolongan...

wassalamualaikum..


Maksud Firman Allah Taala;
"...Kemudian apabila sampai ajal mereka, tiadalah dapat mereka meminta
dikemudiankan sesaat pun dan tidak pula mereka dapat meminta didahulukan."
(AnNahl:61)
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     07/02/2000 09:55 PM
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           Subject: [GU] Kenapa murtad


Assalamualaikum w.b.t

Saya ada terbaca tentang beberapa pengakuan beberapa orang Islam yang
telah murtad. Maaf, agak panjang, tetapi dijadikan renungan di mana
silapnya cara pendakwahan kita.

<<<<PENGAKUAN 1>>>>>

My name is Tarmizi and I am an ethnic Malay from Malaysia. I am
presently working in the private sector.

I came to know about Christianity on my own. Many years ago I took up
a correspondence course on Christianity on my own initiative and
without ANY external inducements because I wanted to know more about
the Christian religion. I must acknowledge that the environment and
friends around me at that time did influence me to inquire about
Christianity. I was rather uncomfortable with my Muslim friends
because I found certain things in Islam unacceptable for example
prayers having to be made in a set pattern and be uttered in a
language that is not clearly or commonly understood. The course
helped me know the basics of Christianity and also the similarities
it shared with Islam (like the belief in hell). I received a
certificate when I completed this correspondence course.

After this study I attended a worship service somewhere in Kuala
Lumpur. I went to church on my own initiative. Before going, I called
the church to introduce myself as well as to inform them of my
intentions to know more about Christianity. I was told that I was
welcome to attend the service. I was happy when I attended the
service. The people were friendly and I felt welcome. I also did not
see any statues, which made me glad. The church was one big hall and
it look just like a Mosque.

I was expecting Holy Communion to be served because I was told that
that was the way Muslims were "trapped" - once they had eaten the
bread, their hearts would become darken and they would forget
everything. I was glad that this did not happen - Communion was not
served that day! At the end of the meeting I was given a prospectus
and encouraged to consider seriously what I wanted to believe.

In my heart I wanted to believe but I had my doubts. I asked
myself, "What good would this bring to me?" I asked this question
because I believed (at that time) that in Malaysia there was "no way
a Muslim could become a follower of 'Isa". Questions like, "What
would it cost me? What will I have to face? Am I making the right
move?" plagued me. With so many questions unanswered, I put it off
(i.e. believing in Hazrat 'Isa).

I became a religious Muslim again after this event. Family and
friends encouraged me to pray and I joined them whenever I was asked
to. Then I began to relax again. This happened a couple of times. For
6 months I would be enthusiastic in carrying out my Islamic
obligations and then I would cool off. I was also quite influenced by
my surroundings. Just before I got married, I was on a religious
high. I never missed my five times of prayer. My wife (then my
fiancie) had a great influence on me. Whenever I called her, she
would ask, "What time did you wake up?" I usually woke up late so she
knew I had not woken up to do my morning prayers. She then would ask
me, "Why didn't you get up early to pray?" With her constant
encouragement I reached a stage where I was on a spiritual high.

It was at this time that I went to Mecca for the umrah. While
observing the activities of the many people and races from all parts
of the world who were there, I could clearly see the different types
of schools in Islam from the different types of prayers that were
being made. Though same in focus and direction, their prayers were
different in method. These differences became a dilemma for me. I had
been taught that the pattern for prayer was set and it had to be
strictly followed. Yet here in Mecca itself, I was seeing different
patterns of prayer being followed. I wondered which pattern was the
right one and whether the pattern of prayer I had being observing all
this while was right. If it was not, all my prayers so far would have
been unacceptable to God! If it were right, then the prayers I saw
being performed before my own eyes were actually unacceptable to God.
This was a very disturbing conclusion.

The style of prayer is not mentioned in the Quran, only in the
sayings of the prophet. How one interprets these sayings would
determine how one prays. When one becomes so accustomed to a set
pattern of prayer, there is bound to be questions when different
patterns are observed elsewhere. For example, hand positions. Is the
hand stretched out straight, or can it be moved to the left or the
right? What about pauses in between - are there any or none? Matters
like these are all not mentioned nor confirmed in the Quran. Islamic
scholars would interpret the sayings of the prophet differently, each
scholar giving a different interpretation. I witnessed and
experienced different and new expressions of prayer because of these
different schools of thought (almost, if not all were not subscribed
to in Malaysia). In Malaysia we subscribe to the Shafie school of
thought. So I prayed the Malaysian way!

Deep in my heart, whilst in Mecca, I had questions. I asked
myself, "Why are we doing what we are doing? Why should we imitate
what a Prophet did more than a thousand years ago?" I questioned the
logic of this whole exercise. I struggled in my mind. "These things
were done so long ago. Am I doing what is actually RIGHT?" I asked.
When I rushed in after competing with many others to kiss the black
stone I asked myself, "Why? Why? Why? What is this FOR?"

When I came back from Mecca I began to relax my observation of prayer
times. I then began to think about Christianity again. Even so, there
was still nothing significant happening because nobody told me
anything (about Christianity) - what it really was and what's the
difference (between Islam and Christianity).

Suddenly a thought struck my mind. I took the Yellow Pages and I
called up a church at random. I spoke to an Indian person who invited
me to come out and meet her. So I went to see her. I asked her a few
questions. One was concerning the use of statues. Previously, a
Filipino friend had given me a small statue of Jesus. I brought it
with me and mentioned it to this lady. She said, "This is not right".
That was the first time I had heard such an answer. I was happy to
hear it. She then explained more, gave me a leaflet and asked me to
go home and read it. After reading the leaflet, I met with her again
and informed her that I was interested in accepting Hazrat 'Isa as my
Savior. I asked her, "Can you teach me to accept 'Isa as my personal
Saviour?" On that day she helped me receive Jesus as my own Saviour
by saying a prayer with me. I simply followed her in a prayer that
she prayed, a simple prayer of repentance and dedication to
Hazrat 'Isa. I was also given a copy of the Bible.

She then said that it would be inappropriate for her as a lady to
continue guiding me. It would be better if I had a brother to guide
and teach me instead. She gave me M's contact and he has been
very
helpful since then.

I don't ask why nowadays because I've found the answers.
After my
conversion, a friend gave me a book that helped answer all my doubts.
It was a book with answers from the Bible on the common questions a
new believer would ask. It was a very helpful book.



As a follower of Hazrat 'Isa in a Muslim community, I have to be
careful in expressing my belief. The Muslim community can be quite
belligerent toward those who leave Islam, and terribly unreasonably
so. Fearful, oppressive and punitive repercussions are all brought to
bear upon detractors of Islam and those who even dare to consider
alternatives to Islam! All kinds of terrible consequences are
conjured up for those who are considered 'apostates'.

There have been some significant changes in my beliefs since I
started following Isa Al-Masih. When I was a Muslim, God was a feared
Being, a Punisher. Now I see Him differently. He is still most
supreme but He is also someone loving I can talk to and share things
with. I know He is listening and he is very close to me. For me, Isa
Al-Masih is Savior and God. This I always remember when I pray.

I believe the greatest blessing I have received from God is to be
chosen by Him for salvation. God has chosen me and I believe His plan
for me is to share what I know to other Malay Muslims. Recently I had
the opportunity to talk to a Malay girl. We talked about many things -
 her Christian friends, the Bible, and the identity of 'Isa Al-Masih -
 but she was not prepared to take the step of faith. She, however,
agreed that to be Malay does not necessarily mean one has to be a
Muslim.

It is my sincere hope that the Malaysian government would be more
open about conversion of Muslims to other religions. I hope that
there will be no threats and that they would be consistent in their
decisions. So far they have been lax one day and tough the next,
especially when they come under pressure from certain quarters. I
would like the government's decision to be in black and white,
allowing the people to decide whom they want to worship. I look for
the day when there would be a freedom to chose ones faith and be
respected by friends, family, society and workplace for the choice
that has been made.

================================================================

Assalamualaikum w.b.t

Sila bandingkan dengan pengakuan Tarmizi dan Yahya. Mereka lebih
tertarik dengan pendekatan Kristian yang menekankan sifat Allah Maha
Penyayang dan Pengampun dosa sedangkan pendakwah Islam sering
menekankan tentang dan menakut-nakutkan kanak-kanak tentang kemurkaan
Allah lebih daripada Penyayangnya, menyebabkan gambaran negatif
wujud.  Hal ini tidak jauh berbeza dengan pendapat bekas
rakan sekolah saya dahulu (pagan)semasa ditanya kenapa mereka memilih
Kristian.

<<<<<<PENGAKUAN 2>>>>>>>

Testimony of Yahya

I was born and raised as a Muslim in Malaysia. My father made sure
that I was brought up in Islamic ways. At the early age, I was taught
to obey the five pillars of Islam (the 'shadat', (profession of
faith), solat, fasting during ramadan, 'zakat' (give alms), and
pilgrimage to Mecca, and recite the Quran (in arabic). Religious
classes in both primary and secondary schools were mandatory for
Muslim students. The Malaysian government did an excellent job in
providing islamic education to the Muslims. It also made it easy and
convenient for Malaysian Muslims to practice their faith. All through
my childhood and teenage years, I faithfully carried out my Muslim
duties to God (Allah) by obeying His laws. However, I felt
spiritually unfulfilled. No matter how many good deeds I did, I was
never sure whether Allah is pleased. During my trials and
tribulation, I cried out to Allah but He seemed distant and
impersonal.

I came to the United States in 1981 for college education. I was
enthusiastic about blending into the American culture but
unfortunately, I was led further from the truth. I was very
temperamental then. My Christian friend then (who is my wife now),
shared her faith with me. That was the first time I ever heard of the
Gospel. (When I was growing up, I was told that Christians were idol
worshippers. Muslims in Malaysia are forbidden to hear the Gospel).
She told me that:

a) We are all sinners by nature. At first, I find it hard to believe
that we are sinners by nature because as Muslims, we were thought
that mankind were not born as sinners but rather through our weakness
and frailty, we commit sinful acts. Therefore, in Islam, one Muslim
may be less sinful than another Muslim and thus, it creates "holier
than thou" syndrome amongst Muslims.

b) Isa Al-Masih died for our sins and we are forgiven if we confess
our sins and received Him as our Lord and Savior. This was hard for
me to believe too because of God dying for my sins? It is completely
foreign to me.

I began to read the Bible. As I was reading, I felt comfortable with
Isa Al-Masih's teachings - filled with love, compassion, mercy, and
grace. Throughout the Gospel (as I was only reading the New
Testament), the message was clear: God loves us very much. I also
found out that Isa Al-Masih is the Son of God and that He came to
earth as a man to die for our sins.

I struggled between the new found truth and my Muslim beliefs. One of
them got to be the truth. So, my search for the one true God began in
1983. I prayed "God, I want to know you intimately. Please reveal
yourself to me." From 1983 to 1985, I was looking for God. Finally,
through His grace and mercy, I found Him in 1985. I had been
sporadically attending church services in 1985 but there was on
particular service where the pastor was preaching about praying. He
mentioned that the Bible said that we're all SINNERS by nature and if
we accept Isa Al-Masih as our Lord and Savior and repent of our sins,
we have a LIVING RELATIONSHIP with God forever and ever. He said to
pray like this:


 "Our Father in heaven
              Hallowed be your name
               Your Kingdom come,
     You will be done
       on earth as it is in heaven.
   Give this day our daily bread.
   Forgive our debts
     As we also have forgiven our debtors
    And lead us not into temptation
   But deliver us from the evil one"

Suddenly, everything seemed clear to me. The God who created the
universe loves me. He knows me intimately. He does not require me to
pray in Arabic. He hears my prayers at all times. Salvation is a gift
from God because he loves me.

That night, I repented of my sins and asked Isa Al-Masih to be my
Lord and Savior. I felt peace in my soul after that. Until today, I
have no regrets of my decision to let Isa Al-Masih rule my life. I am
now married with 3 kids. Eventhough life is not a bed of roses, God's
promises are for real. Psalm 23:4 "Eventhough I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for YOU are with
me". He is with me and strengthens me through trials and tribulation.
God's love for me is unconditional and because He loves me first and
I am loving him back with all my heart, soul, and mind.



Asalaamualaikum to my Muslim friends.

Let me ask you question: If you were to die tonight, do you know for
sure that you are going to heaven? Do you have the assurance that you
are going to heaven? I am here to tell you that the God who created
the universe has given us the assurance that you will go to heaven if
you have faith in HIM and what He has DONE for you.

You see, my friends, sin is not based on your deeds alone but rather
it is a state of mankind. God has told us in that he created man
perfect and He wanted to dwell among His creations. However, Adam and
Eve (First man and woman) CHOSE to rebel against God by DISOBEYING
Him. Adam and Eve sinned against God. What God has made perfect is
now corrupted by sin. Through the disobedience of Adam and Eve, we're
all sinners. What does God says about man and sin? It clearly states
in the Bible that ALL have SINNED and fall short of the glory of God.
The Bible goes on to say that the wages of sin is DEATH (physically
and spiritually). Why is God so harsh on sin? Because God is PERFECT
and JUST and everything about sin is diametrically opposite of who
God is. Since God said that the wages of sin is death, we are doomed.
Fortunately, God who is perfect and just is also a God of GRACE and
MERCY. From the every beginning of time, God LOVES US and He grieves
when we chose to disobey and sinned against Him. The good news is
that God FORGIVES ALL our sins completely. How does he forgive our
sins? Isa Al-Masih came to the world and died for ALL our sins. He
paid it all. God forgiveness is in Isa Al-Masih. Isa Al-Masih DIED
for our sins AND three days after He died, he ROSE again. He LIVES.
There is no work for us to do in order to gain forgiveness from God.
Isa Al-Masih has done everything for us. All you need to do is to
accept God's gift of forgiveness by:


Confessing all your sins to God.
Repent (taubat) of your old ways (sins).
Invite Isa Al-Masih to come in your life and be your Lord and Savior.
Isa Al-Masih said, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO ONE
comes to the Father (God) except through Me." He also said "I stand
at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I
will come in and eat with him, and he with me." Isa Al-Masih is the
sirat - the bridge that allows us to cross over to God's Kingdom.

My friends, salvation is by FAITH and it is a gift of God. The Bible
says that our righteous deeds are like filthy rags to Him. Without
accepting God's gift, no amount of works can satisfy God's demands
for our sins.

God Bless you.

Yahya
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