[IP] more on UCLA data breach affects 800,000

[David Farber]

But not to be excused djf

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Date: December 14, 2006 10:09:42 AM JST
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Subject: Re: [IP] UCLA data breach affects 800,000


Dave,

It's worth noting that as egregious as these cases are -- and my
public stance in favor of mandated data destruction policies is well
known -- it's worth remembering that these mass data breaches are
not a primary vector for identity fraud.

In fact, by far most identity fraud reportedly is the result of
actions by "friends," or relatives who know the targets personally,
or by local culprits who can get physical access to the targets'
bills or other mail -- much more effective for these kinds of frauds.

Just something to think about.

--Lauren--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: December 14, 2006 8:47:38 AM JST
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Subject: RE: [IP] UCLA data breach affects 800,000

Dave,

They can keep SSNs and encrypt them, and use a unique id instead. Most
colleges have gotten rid of SSNs as much as possible for this reason.
Many
people are working on "user centric" solutions which would supply
this information
from the user, on an event based, need to know basis, rather than
some legacy database.

The problem is not unique to UCLA.

Peter Bachman
Cequs Inc.




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Subject: [IP] UCLA data breach affects 800,000
From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006 6:38 pm
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From: Richard Wiggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: December 14, 2006 12:18:29 AM JST
To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: UCLA data breach affects 800,000

Dave,

For IP if you wish:

The UCLA data breach affects 800,000 people.  This raises an important
question about retention of private data.  UCLA has about 35,000
students so let's say a campus community of 50,000.  To get to
800,000, UCLA must be retaining private information on former
students, applicants, and employees going back decades!

Universities have no choice but to gather SSNs, for payroll purposes,
federal financial aid requirements, etc. &nb

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