Roderick T. Beaman
Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:10:26 -0800
Hey, you two guys continue but I'm dropping out of this part of this thread. Roderick T. Beaman,D.O. Board Certified Family Physician Politicians and government officials are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reasons. ________________________________ From: Earl <earljre...@gmail.com> To: LibertarianExchange@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 3:27:14 PM Subject: Re: [LibertarianExchange] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator Ben Nelson Physical laws did not always exist. They have only existed for as long as the universe existed. YHWH (God) is a spirit being. **A spirit being what? No seriously how can you accept the unproven as truth when you do not for things with mounds of evidence? There was no need for anything physical for Him to exist. **So it's a him. Interesting. Is there a her one, also? But since the rebellion of Satan and one third of the angels, in order for YHWH (God) to duplicate Himself, found it necessary to create a physical universe. He simply took his spirit power and created physical power; the so called Big Bang. Interesting take. So this god spirit thingy existed in the multidimensional quantum flux? With a physical universe there has to be physical laws that govern everything. We are just discovering some, but not all the laws. **I didn't know that. Which one's have we not discovered yet? Whenever something is missing in the mathematics or something about the universe is not quite fully understood, simply means that a law or laws have not yet been discovered. **Really? So the possibility that the Higgs boson (god particle) might be what gives all other things mass is based on some unknown physical law? I know a few theoretical physicists that would disagree with that...simply. "The secret things belong to God", which is in the Bible, but I do not remember where that is at the moment. If we did have all the answers, we would be like God, knowing how to create just like He does. Can you imagine a flawed human being with such power and the consequences? I think the lesson of "Forbidden Planet" is taken in account for that. **Forbidden Planet was a 1956 movie. Didn't you mean forbidden fruit? And by secret things do you mean like lightening? It was a secret for a very long time. Probably one of those things religion was originally invented to explain. You know, "don't ask that, it's a secret god thingy". The proof of that physical laws did not always exist, is the element radium. Radium, although an element in its own right, will eventually change into lead. Put a sample of radium under a microscope and watch the tiny particles fray off of it. If indeed the physical universe did always exist, there would be no such thing as radium. **LOL. I see you're not a chemistry wiz either. The half life of radium is 1602 years and it decays into radon gas. I think you are thinking of the decay of uranium 238, half life of 4.7 billion years, to lead. Ok, now the question may come up; Where did YHWH (God) come from? There were a group of astronomers that one of them did ask that particular question. Another one replied, "That is why God made Hell, for people who ask questions like that." I thought that was a very humorous antidote and included it here, so that you would all know that not all scientists are ignorant of YHWH's existence and simply cannot deny it. **Some choose to and some not. Religion is funny that way. But I thought we already decided it came from the quantum flux? Now I can see there is going to be a fight or controversy over creation and evolution. Look my friends, in order to fully understand what is going on, we have to understand what happened between the first two verses of Genesis. **LOL. No we don't. We have to understand that every ancient civilization has their own creation myth. There was a beginning to the universe. However, there was a recreation, which is the correct translation. This recreation was the beginning of the 6000 years that everyone is debating is the age of the universe, which it is not. The universe is about 6 billion years old, but this planet had to be recreated about 6000 years ago because of the war in heaven between Satan and YHWH. Now we're into foolish nonsense and there is more than ample science to prove that beyond a doubt. The universe is about 13.7 years old with the earth coming in at about 4.5 billion. Remember, the Earth became dark and void. The law of cause and effect. The war in Heaven caused the Earth to become dark and void and had to be recreated. Yes, it did take just 6 days, but when you already know how to do something once (the first creation about 6 billion years ago) the second time (the recreation) is a piece of cake. Keep on believing that Mark. Teach it to your children and grand children. We'll always need McDonald workers. Earl "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." ----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Rowley >To: libertarianexchange @yahoogroups. com >Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:48 PM >Subject: RE: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator >Ben Nelson > > >Physical laws did not always exist. They have only existed for as long as the >universe existed. YHWH (God) is a spirit being. There was no need for >anything physical for Him to exist. But since the rebellion of Satan and one >third of the angels, in order for YHWH (God) to duplicate Himself, found it >necessary to create a physical universe. He simply took his spirit power and >created physical power; the so called Big Bang. With a physical universe >there has to be physical laws that govern everything. We are just discovering >some, but not all the laws. Whenever something is missing in the mathematics >or something about the universe is not quite fully understood, simply means >that a law or laws have not yet been discovered. "The secret things belong to >God", which is in the Bible, but I do not remember where that is at the >moment. If we did have all the answers, we would be like God, knowing how to >create just like He does. Can you imagine a flawed human being with such power and the consequences? I think the lesson of "Forbidden Planet" is taken in account for that. > >The proof of that physical laws did not always exist, is the element radium. >Radium, although an element in its own right, will eventually change into >lead. Put a sample of radium under a microscope and watch the tiny particles >fray off of it. If indeed the physical universe did always exist, there would >be no such thing as radium. > >Ok, now the question may come up; Where did YHWH (God) come from? There were >a group of astronomers that one of them did ask that particular question. >Another one replied, "That is why God made Hell, for people who ask questions >like that." I thought that was a very humorous antidote and included it here, >so that you would all know that not all scientists are ignorant of YHWH's >existence and simply cannot deny it. > >Now I can see there is going to be a fight or controversy over creation and >evolution. Look my friends, in order to fully understand what is going on, we >have to understand what happened between the first two verses of Genesis. >There was a beginning to the universe. However, there was a recreation, which >is the correct translation. This recreation was the beginning of the 6000 >years that everyone is debating is the age of the universe, which it is not. >The universe is about 6 billion years old, but this planet had to be recreated >about 6000 years ago because of the war in heaven between Satan and YHWH. >Remember, the Earth became dark and void. The law of cause and effect. The >war in Heaven caused the Earth to become dark and void and had to be >recreated. Yes, it did take just 6 days, but when you already know how to do >something once (the first creation about 6 billion years ago) the second time >(the recreation) is a piece of cake. > >Mark DeBarbieri > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD >Join me > >________________________________ To: LibertarianExchange @yahoogroups. com >From: earljre...@gmail. com >Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:41 -0500 >Subject: Re: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator >Ben Nelson > > > > >Mark, I see you're not all that versed in logic, either. The big bang was not >an "explosion" and, according to the second law of thermodynamics, the >potential released in your explosion would have to, over time, end in entropy >not an encyclopedia. > >But, with your logic, if laws require a law giver then physical laws require a >physical law giver. Show it to me. The simple fact is that if a point in the >quantum flux expanded and it's unified force separated (due to entropy?) there >would have to be some physical laws (properties) that expansion ended up with. > >Rod, >Good one but I would change your if to when. It's merely a matter of time. >And yes, it would be intelligent design (something I do not discount off >handedly). But it would not be mystic or metaphysical. > >http://discovermagazine.com/photos/how-to-build-human-brain-in-07-easy-steps > >Breaking News! God located! > >http://discovermagazine.com/2010/jan-feb/099 > >Earl >"A human being should be able to change >a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, >conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, >give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, >pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die >gallantly. >Specialization is for insects." >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Roderick T. Beaman >>To: LibertarianExchange @yahoogroups. com >>Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:01 PM >>Subject: Re: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator >>Ben Nelson >> >> >> >> >>Try this one on for size, guys. If one tried to duplicate life in the >>laboratory and succeeds, is it not by intelligent design? >> Roderick T. Beaman,D.O. >>Board Certified Family Physician >>Politicians and government officials are like diapers. >>They should be changed often and for the same reasons. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Mark Rowley <mrrowle...@hotmail. com> >>To: libertarianexchange @yahoogroups. com >>Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 4:38:32 PM >>Subject: RE: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator >>Ben Nelson >> >> >>Earl, if indeed what you say is true, then the Frankenstein Monster is >>possible! Scientists have for many years continue to prove the universe, >>life, etc. all just happened. That simply is not possible. Why? Because in >>order to have physical laws, there has to be a lawgiver! If indeed all those >>evilutionist are correct, then it is also possible to create an enclopedia >>when an explosion occures in a printing facility. >> >>Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD >>Join me >> >>________________________________ To: LibertarianExchange @yahoogroups. com >>From: earljre...@gmail. com >>Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:30:04 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to Senator >>Ben Nelson >> >> >>I think we've been down this trail before and I celebrate your beliefs for >>you. I just don't hold them true for me. A couple of things. The theory of >>evolution, although not complete, it time tested and completely accepted by >>all of those that understand the science. That's fact. For those that >>choose to burry their heads in the sand well, so be it. The other is that >>the law of entropy does not apply to self organizing and/or replicating >>molecules. The fact that living stuff grows proves that beyond question. >>The second law of thermodynamics deals with energy potential gradients over >>time and merely states that a potential will fall to a state of equilibrium. >> >>Please believe in what you choose but leave the science to those that >>understand it. >> >>Earl >>"A human being should be able to change >>a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, >>conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, >>give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, >>pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die >>gallantly. >>Specialization is for insects." >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark Rowley >>>To: libertarianexchange @yahoogroups. com >>>Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:44 PM >>>Subject: RE: [LibertarianExchang e] Fw: Fwd: FW: A Nebraska doctor to >>>Senator Ben Nelson >>> >>> >>>Being of any particular religion should have nothing to do with the fact >>>that life begins at the moment of conception. This might be off point, but >>>all things need to be considered. Our brains are of no better quality than >>>any animal. The only difference is that there is a "spirit" that endows all >>>of us with intelligence. We are an extension of what YHWH (God) is, but in >>>a physical form, but with a "spirit", which is just a taste of what He is. >>>Whenever a conception happens YHWH's spirit enters into the egg and life >>>commences! Biology 101; Life comes from life!!! YHWH is life! The theory >>>of evilution cannot hold water, simply because it is an unproven theory and >>>besides; many so called scientists forget the law of entropy; everything >>>turns to shit! Therefore, life could not have ever evolved from something, >>>anything and everything that was "dead" to begin with! >>> >>>Mark DeBarbieri >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >