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Re: [LibertarianExchange] Re: Taxed Enough?

jwsmith42000
Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:23:39 -0800

That is not unheard of in all states. This is the norm in gated communities 
 and some that are not gated.
While every driver is not immediately charged the monthly residents fee  
does cover the charges. 
Look in back issues of Reason Magazine and you will find a number of cities 
 including St. Louis who sold many of their streets to the residents. Some 
did  put up gates and some did not, but were allowed to. 
In these cases you only get in because the resident agrees to pay the  
"TOLL". 
 
It has been done and can be done. 
 
John Wayne
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
crazylibertar...@yahoo.com writes:

 
How about buying the street with a few other people and charging others  to 
use it?  It's an illustration of the libertarian axiom; government  
functions become a source of burden while private functiuons become a source  
of 
reward.  
 
 
 
Roderick T. Beaman,D.O.
Board Certified Family  Physician
Politicians and government officials are like diapers. 
They  should be changed often and for the same reasons.  



 
____________________________________
 From: Jim  <bottomlinejim2...@gmail.com>
To:  LibertarianExchange@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 8:55:20  PM
Subject:  [LibertarianExchange] Re: Taxed Enough?


Well, I don't mind paying a "reasonable share" for infrastructure and a few 
 conveniences. I kind of like having a nice road leading up to our store 
front  - it's good for business. Those street lights are pretty good, also.  

If the entrance is tore up and in disarray, people won't come to our  place 
of business. And, I darned sure don't want to be out there fixing pot  
holes myself. I'll just pitch in a little and pay someone else (preferably,  
another entrepreneur) to do it :-)

--- In _LibertarianExchange  @yahoogroups. com_ 
(mailto:LibertarianExchange@yahoogroups.com) , "Roderick T. Beaman" 
<crazylibertarian@ ...>  wrote:
>
> I'm going to try to call you later on another matter,  Jim, probably the 
Left's treatment of Rush but possibly something else.  
> 
> These pieces are interesting but perhaps we disagree in  these things.  
Unlike Oliver wendell Holmes, I don't think taxes are the  price we pay for 
civilization but the p[rice we pay for  tyranny.  The moral stazrting 
point for all taxes is $0.00.   
> 
> Take care. Â Â 
> Â Roderick T.  Beaman,D.O.
> Board Certified Family Physician
> Politicians and  government officials are like diapers. 
> They should be changed often  and for the same reasons. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Jim Weeks  <bottomlinejim2000@ ...>
> To: _LibertarianExchange  @yahoogroups. com_ 
(mailto:LibertarianExchange@yahoogroups.com) 
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 8:28:14 PM
>  Subject: [LibertarianExchang e] Taxed Enough?
> 
> Â   
> Is your family one of the richest 400 families in America?
>  
> 
> 
> Tax Rates for Top 400 Earners Fall as Income Soars,  IRS Data
> David Cay Johnston* for Tax Analysts
> The incomes of  the top 400 American households soared to a new record 
high in dollars and as  a share of all income in 2007, while the income tax 
rates they paid fell to a  record low, newly disclosed tax data show. 
> 
> In 2007 the top  400 taxpayers had an average income of $344.8 million, 
up 31 percent from  their average $263.3 million income in 2006, according to 
figures in a report  that the IRS posted to its Web site without 
announcement that were discovered  February 16. (For the report, see Tax 
Analysts Doc 
2010-3372 .) 
>  
> The figures came at the peak of the last economic cycle and show that  
widely published reports in major newspapers asserting that the richest  
Americans are losing relative ground and "becoming poorer" are not supported  
by 
the official income data. 
> 
> The long-term data show that  under current tax and economic rules, the 
incomes of the top earners rise when  the economy expands and contract during 
recessions, only to rise again. Their  effective income tax rate fell to 
16.62 percent, down more than half a  percentage point from 17.17 percent in 
2006, the new data show. That rate is  lower than the typical effective 
income tax rate paid by Americans with  incomes in the low six figures, which 
is 
what each taxpayer in the top group  earned in the first three hours of 
2007. 
> 
> Taxpayers on the  95th to 99th steps on the income ladder paid an 
effective income tax rate of  17.52 percent, according to calculations by the 
Tax 
Foundation, a nonprofit  research group that favors less taxation and lower 
rates. Taxpayers in this  category earned between $255,000 and $451,000 in 
2007, compared with an  average daily income of almost $945,000 for the top 
400, who paid lower  effective tax rates on average. 
> 
> Payroll taxes did not add a  significant burden to the top 400, not 
changing the rounding of rates by even  one decimal. With payroll taxes taken 
into account, the effective tax rate of  the top 400 would be 17.2 percent in 
2006 and 16.6 percent in 2007, my  analysis shows -- the same as not counting 
payroll taxes. As a point of  comparison, about two-thirds of Americans pay 
more in Social Security,  Medicare, and unemployment taxes than in federal 
income taxes. 
>  
> The top 400's share of all income grew from 1.31 cents out of every  
dollar earned by all Americans to 1.59 cents. 
> 
> Adjusted for  inflation to 2009 dollars, the top 400 enjoyed a 27 percent 
increase in their  income, or nine times the rate of increase for the 
bottom 90 percent, based on  an earlier analysis of tax data published by 
Profs. 
Emmanuel Saez and Thomas  Piketty, economists at the University of 
California at Berkeley who have been  studying global income trends.
> 
> 400 Highest Income Americans  See Income Soar, Tax Rates Fall in 2007
> 
> Source: IRS  Statistics of Income; Consumer Price Index calculations by 
author
>  Since 1992, the bottom 90 percent of Americans have seen their incomes 
rise by  13 percent in 2009 dollars, compared with an increase of 399 percent 
for the  top 400. 
> 
> The annual top 400 report was first made public by  the Clinton 
administration, but the George W. Bush administration shut down  access to the 
report. Its release was resumed a year ago when President Obama  took office. 
The 
Statistics of Income Division at the IRS created the top 400  reports at the 
urging of Joel Slemrod, a business professor at the University  of 
Michigan. 
> 
> The top 400 reports understate actual top  incomes because of deferral 
rules. For example, managers of offshore hedge  funds who deferred their gains 
may not be counted in the top 400 reports,  which are based on the figure 
on the last line of the front page of Form 1040.  
> 
> At least three hedge fund managers made $3 billion in 2007.  It is not 
known how much, if any, of their income they deferred. 
>  
> Most of the income going to the top 400 tax returns is from capital.  
Salaries and wages accounted for only 6.5 percent of the top 400's income in  
2007, down from 7.4 percent in 2006 and 26.2 percent in 1992. The average  
salary rose from 2006 to 2007, however, just at a slower rate than overall  
income growth. 
> 
> The biggest source of income was capital  gains, which are taxed at a 
maximum rate of 15 percent. Gains accounted for  66.3 percent of 2007 income 
for the top 400, up from 62.8 percent in 2006 and  36.1 percent in 1992. 
> 
> Only 7 of the top 400 have shown up in  the report every year, the IRS 
data showed. Of the 6,400 returns covered by  the 16 years of the report, the 
IRS said that 2,515, or almost 40 percent,  appeared one time. 
> 
> The report shows that the number of the  top 400 who paid an effective 
tax rate of 0 percent to 10 percent declined  slightly, to 25 in 2007 from 31 
in 2006. In 1992 only 6 of the top 400 paid an  effective income tax rate of 
less than 10 percent. 
> 
> Another  127 paid 10 percent to 15 percent in 2007, up from 113 in 2006. 
>  
> Only 33 of the top 400 paid an effective tax rate of 30 percent to 35  
percent, which is the maximum federal tax rate. 
> 
> *David Cay  Johnston is a former tax reporter for The New York Times. He 
teaches at  Syracuse University College of Law and is the author of two 
books about taxes,  Free Lunch and Perfectly Legal . His current column on 
taxes 
appears in Tax  Notes and Tax Notes Today. 
> 
> http://www.tax. com/taxcom/  features. nsf/Articles/ 0DEC0EAA7E4D7A2B 
852576CD00714692  ?OpenDocument
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Weeks
>  North Florida's Progressive Talk Radio
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