* Present + Norbert, David, Michael M, Fridrich, Stephan, Mitch, Lionel, Rainer, Markus, Eike, Petr, Bjoern, Michael S, Caolan, Kohei, Andras, Kendy
* Completed Action Items + poke admins wrt. anongit / cgit down-ness (Michael) + talk to Debian guys wrt. packaging etc. (Markus) + maintainer old cppunit dev, and happy we took over. + update / file first 'most annoying' bug comment for 3.6 tracker to encourage direct marking of deps (Petr) + review slowcheck patch for tail_build's Makefile (Bjoern) + applied; make slowcheck AA: + request to re-fix top-level 'make check' to build code first (Bjoern) + nightmares with build.pl + consensus: drop [LibreOffice] in mail headers (Kendy) * Pending Action Items + [slow progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + branch 'build', 'bootstrap' as libreoffice-3-5 or sim., and wipe master with a helpful link (Michael S) AA: + talk to Michael S afterwards (Michael M) + needs fd.o admin help, bug for that created, Tollef on vacation + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45354 AA: + get links to FOSDEM slides into the wiki (All) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012 * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.0 status + ready from development POV + Marketing not ready, website in progress + web-site / updating volunteers appreciated ASAP + who love + 3.5.1 + RC1 freeze 20th of Feb + three week gap before 3.5.1 for fixing + 3.4.6 + a way away - March 5th RC1 deadline + encouraging to see more fixes going in there. * FOSDEM update (~any/all takers) + went well, good attendance at the FOSDEM dev-room + need a designated time keeper + booth went well - tons of T-shirst sold, always lots of people there lots of questions + over 500 stickers asked for & given out * QA update (Rainer) + lots of time spent searching for cross-bugzilla duplicates to Apache bugzilla + last few weeks, found little to help etc. code bases diverging. + perhaps only for the most annoying bugs ? (Bjoern) + so - reduce the searches only to those flagged by the user as very old / annoying etc. AA: + update the wiki guidelines to this (Rainer) + is it ok to assign bugs to team-leads still ? + assigning gives impression someone is working on them - a problem. + currently, add to assigned field, but not set status to 'ASSIGNED' (perhaps not an issue) + makes sense to add devs to CC, if bugs are higher priority (Petr) + is an 'assigned but not assigned' state confusing (Bjoern) + can we use unconfirmed/new for this (Norbert) AA: + come up with a proposal for this (Rainer/Bjoern/Petr) + assignee of all calc bugs, in many cases not clear to who to assign it to, so not possible to have an active re-assignment task (Kohei) + quite attached to a push workflow, new bugs in the area end up in mailbox (Lionel) * system stdlibs for Linux universal builds ? (Stephan/Petr) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45696 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45074 + problem is - that for generic RPMs/DEBs + we include the gcc / C++ std-libraries + in theory machines could not already have them + 2x problems: + extensions linked to newer C++ stdlib we ship could fail to run + old lib. that we ship, can give C++ exception handling issues, that newer ones would not expose. + suggest + no longer package it anymore on Linux (Stephan) + can we add a Requires: line that works cross-distro ? + probably not. + we currently have very incomplete Requires anyway (mst) + the lib has versioned symbols, so if installed on an older system, we may fail on start (Fridrich) + create a new separate package of just this stdlib, that conflicts with the system (Fridrich) + we build custom gcc & binutils on our legacy systems (Fridrich) + the very newest libraries would be another option, for a while. + Options: + create new compat-stdlib package and refuse to install if there are newer stdlib around (Fridrich) AA: + disable bundling of C++ stdlib in 3.5.1 & see how it goes (Petr) + re-think if lots of people complain. * make check triggers build + make it as easy as possible to run checks (Stephan) + 'make check' is simpler + hopefully time it takes to re-run a pristine make will improve over time (Norbert) * bibisect - is it in-use ? (Bjoern) + could be rather useful for catching regressions + lack of awareness + 50x LibreOffice installs in one git repo + can narrow the zone that it was introduced + Rainer has ~40 versions on his computer, to find where it appeared, not many others do. AA: + more bibisect evangelism on the QA mailing list (Bjoern) * 3.5 most annoying bugs ... + 41 (of 124) open, last weeks: 32/104, 28/93, 21/76, 23/71 + growing list / interest ? 33%, 30%, 30%, 28%, 32% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1 * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764 + 89 bugs open of 315 total * Component count net * + Writer - 36 (+1) + Presentation - 8 (-1) + LibreOffice - 9 (+0) + Spreadsheet - 7 (+0) + Database - 7 (+0) + Drawing - 5 (+0) + Basic - 4 (+2) -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice