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Re: [Haifux] haifux site's design

Nadav Har'El
Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:40:44 -0700

On Sun, Sep 16, 2001, guy keren wrote about "[Haifux] haifux site's design":
> if you don't intend to do anything constructive - don't force others not
> to do things either by discouraging them.

I admit that sometimes in this mailing list I make suggestions that I have
no plan to help implement. This is because I can't find the time for actual
help (heck, I usually can't even find the time to come to the club meetings,
and the fact that you meet inside the technion with its fascist guards doesn't
help... How do the other guys get into the Technion anyway??).

But I thought that this group is about learning from each other. Sometimes
(relative) beginners take the most obvious solutions, and somebody with more
experience can point them to other ideas which they may consider (not *force*
them to change their mind, just open up their mind to different ideas, and in
the end let them choose for themselves). One huge gif file with all the
buttons on it is beautiful, but several people here think it is not the HTML
way (or Linux way, or the Jedi way, or whatever), and not practical (hard to
change, slow to download, useless with lynx or for blind people, etc.) and I
wanted to recommend to whomever is designing the site to look into CSS, which
despite being a standard for at least 2 years, many people overlook it, and
the way it enables one to create a good-looking but standards-compliant site.

Read the CSS document: it is quite long (200 pages, if I remember), but a
very interesting read and very useful. Some things you simply cannot do if
you don't know CSS: e.g., how did I get paragraphs in nadav.harel.org.il to
be fully justified (as opposed to having a ragged right margin)? [look with
Mozilla or IE - Konquerer doesn't support this yet].

> (btw, this route was almost taken when working on r2l, in case some of you
>  forgot. some people suggested jumping way over their heads with features
>  and complete model changes - eventually, they never did a thing).

Again, my suggestions were to open the eyes of the people working on that
r2l thing - I never meant to get involved. After I suggested what I suggested,
and no-one chose to follow that route, at least you made a concious decision
not to follow it - you based your decision on your coding convenience and/or
technical merit (my idea might have been crap!), but not on ignorance. This
is always a better way to make decisions.

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