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Re: [Haifux] Re: using unix page: early draft

Nadav Har'El
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:23:36 -0700

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001, Alon Altman wrote about "Re: [Haifux] Re: using unix page: early 
draft":
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > You can teach csh
> > as some archaic language (like Latin is taught), but it should not be taught
> > as the tool of choice.
> 
>   So, the ingenious solution would be to teach Intercal, Befunge, and
> Brainf**k, so the students can see interesting new languages, right?

No. I thought I was clear: I just said that sh (or bash, or whatever)
should be taught instead of csh. One instead of one. A better one instead
of a crappy one. A useful one (probably 99% of shell scripts in a typical
unix system are written in /bin/sh, not csh) instead of a useless one.
I didn't say anything about learning more crazy (and 100% useless) languages,
and I didn't say anything which is overly "ideal" like mulix suggested.

If you TAs only know how to copy the notes of the people before you,
and the professors can't be bothered to learn a new (new? /bin/sh has
existed for about 25 years!!) language, and everyone continues to teach
something which they know is suboptimal - then I just have to say that
this is a sad state of affairs for the Technion. Remember - if you agree
that something is suboptimal - even if only slightly - then it is the
teacher's duty to teach the optimal thing. The 10 hours of work for making
new exercises by the teacher is nothing compared to all the crap the hundreds
of students taking this course will eat later by using csh.
I'll shut up on this issue now, until perhaps one day I'll come back to the
Technion as a PhD candidate and try to change this from the inside ;)

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