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Linux-Advocacy Digest #29, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I think I'm in love..... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure. ("Bobby D.
Bryant")
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:11:39 GMT
"Bill Vermillion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Many many many years ago - and details are fuzzy as this happened
> before I got into Unix 15+ years ago - I remember reading how some
> pepole would have 'fun' embedding some strings in documents, and
> that it was either 1) vi or 2) mail application which would execute
> code if it was in the first 4 lines of the file. This was used to
> nuke files when someone read/edited the file. That was very very
> early usenet - so maybe someone else who was around then can fill
> in the details.
Vi will execute 'modelines' in the first or last 5 lines of a file if they
start with vi: or ex:. These days you can only set options there. In
the early days you could put any commands including shell escapes
in the modelines and have them auto-execute. It was about 20 years
ago when everyone realized that was a bad idea, but there are always
people (and companies) who refuse to learn from history...
Les
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:09:50 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Christopher Smith wrote:
> >>
>
> [snip]
>
> >> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is a
> >> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> >
> >Really now.
> >
> >So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
> somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
> being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time, AFAIK.
1) That was Morris's, not Mitnick
2) it was a buffer-over run attack -- all such code was removed from
Unix within a couple of months .. ie. 1988
3) 12 years later, Microsoft products are still open to buffer
overrun attacks.
What kind of stupid shits are programming for Microsoft?
>
> Of course, it wasn't nearly as dangerous as QAZ, and any Unix
> and Linux trojan will be limited in its scope unless run as root.
Actually, it was VERY dangerous. It took down nearly every machine
on the Internet at that time.
However...that was 12 years ago, and we haven't seen another
serious Unix attack since then--despite the now widespread availability
of Unix/Linux systems for would-be virus writers to use as a
development platform.
> This is also true for NT, but many administrators give the
> primary user Administrative privileges on their NT box out of
> convenience (because an equivalent to Unix's 'su' is either not
> available, not installed, or not thought of; I think Win2k has
> this command or a variant thereof, however -- and it just might
> do the right thing by bringing up the GUI... :-) ).
>
> [snip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:12:58 -0500
joseph wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >Christopher Smith wrote:
> > >>
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is a
> > >> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> > >
> > >Really now.
> > >
> > >So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
> >
> > Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
> > somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
> > being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time, AFAIK.
>
> We don't because there isn't a mechanism I aware of that allows a data file to
> contain and then have automatically execute macros to manipulte an API that
> allows access to the OS.
>
> And Kevin Mitnick didn't make the worm. It was a worm, not a virus. The
> distinction is important.
It was Morris's worm.
>
> > Of course, it wasn't nearly as dangerous as QAZ, and any Unix
> > and Linux trojan will be limited in its scope unless run as root.
> > This is also true for NT, but many administrators give the
> > primary user Administrative privileges on their NT box out of
> > convenience (because an equivalent to Unix's 'su' is either not
> > available, not installed, or not thought of; I think Win2k has
> > this command or a variant thereof, however -- and it just might
> > do the right thing by bringing up the GUI... :-) ).
>
> Okay.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:15:57 -0600
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> When a computer locks in such a way that you can't even power it down,
> you can't call it the top of design art!
You can always power it down. Hold the power button in for 6 seconds, and
it will power off. That's hardware configured and nothing the OS can do
will stop that.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:13:49 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9IzM5.12812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8tug1j$ci5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > We don't because there isn't a mechanism I aware of that allows a data
> > > file to
> > > > contain and then have automatically execute macros to manipulte an API
> > > that
> > > > allows access to the OS.
> > >
> > > Neither is there in Windows, so your point is.....?
> >
> > How do you 'open' an attachment as a data file making sure
> > you don't execute any content that it contains before you
> > see what it is?
>
> Assuming you're talking about VBScript files:
>
> Either a) save it to a file and then open it in notepad b) set the file
> associations so the default action is to open in an editor instead of an
> execution environment.
Ok. Now...try to take the same safety precautions with an Excel file,
or a Word document.
Hint fucking hint: you can't.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:14:21 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Christopher Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > "Caldera OpenLinux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It was week. And the QAZ trojan infected an employees home machine.
> And
> > > it
> > > > > had access to the LAN, probably via a VPN.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any corporation allowing internal access via VPN's are vulnerable
> using
> > > the
> > > > > exact same scenario.
> > > >
> > > > I don;t think saysin this attack can affect anyone is smart to say. I
> > > mean it
> > > > really is unacceptable so the implications are huge.
> > > > If you don;t get me then asnwer this.
> > > > How does QAZ infect OS/2 or LINUX or FreeBSD?
> > >
> > > It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is a
> > > trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> >
> > Really now.
> >
> > So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> Not enough people interested in making them?
> Shorten your sig.
make me. [It keeps the below-named trolls away]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:21:18 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LFHM5.430$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just installed Linux Mandrake 7.2. Read the manual for about an hour.
> What does work is very nice...
>
> * Wheel mouse now works. Never could get it going on 7.1
> * USB ZIP 250 drive working just fine
> * EPSON Stylus Color 640 now supported
> * Voodoo 5500 supported (XFree86 4.0.1)
>
> Hey this KNode newsreader is pretty cool...
>
> Certainly looks good so far, though there are a few warts...
>
> * My sound card (still) isn't supported
> * LILO boot keeps coming and going
I thought it used grub by default.
> * Fonts all got stuck on some ugly fixed font
Was this an upgrade or a new install? I've only
used this a bit but I thought they finely included
some usable fonts with things configured to use
them.
> * Quite a few SIGSEGV's in KDE 2.0
Which program?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:19:27 -0500
Bill Vermillion wrote:
>
> In article <8tsopq$36g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe
> >> > scenario is a trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
>
> >> Really now.
>
> >> So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> >Not enough people interested in making them?
>
> Well unless you consistanly run as root the worst any email virus
> could do would be wipe out your own files. Why write a virus if
> you can't nuke the entire system :-).
>
> Many many many years ago - and details are fuzzy as this happened
> before I got into Unix 15+ years ago - I remember reading how some
> pepole would have 'fun' embedding some strings in documents, and
> that it was either 1) vi or 2) mail application which would execute
> code if it was in the first 4 lines of the file. This was used to
> nuke files when someone read/edited the file. That was very very
> early usenet - so maybe someone else who was around then can fill
> in the details.
if you start any line in the top four lines with a colon (":") vi
will interpret the line as an ex command. However, unlike word
macros, you can avoid such things by first using top (1) on the file.
>
> What makes the MS type machines such an interesting target is that
> they the vast majority are all the same. Printer port, serial
> port, keyboards, HD, and on and on, all have the same interface
> across 100's of millions of machines. Biggest problem I remember
> was Morris' worm - 1986 - that propagated itself through sendmail
> on certain platforms. [Gawd that's been a long time].
VAX and SUN. Used a buffer overrun attack.
Code that allowed buffer overruns was all cleaned up out of Unix within
a couple weeks.
Meanwhile, here in the year 2000, Microsoft is selling OS's that
are STILL vulnerable to this kind of attack.
Why is that?
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:21:17 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Caldera OpenLinux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There has been much talk about hidden ports in
> > > > > > > > the back end of all windows products in the last
> > > > > > > > year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone who runs Zonealarm -- which reports unauthorized TCP/IP
> > > traffic
> > > > > IN
> > > > > > > and OUT knows you are full of sh*t.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We Zonalarm users know who has the hidden ports -- Real Audio ,
> > > Adware
> > > > > etc
> > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It ain't the Microsoft OS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What a bunch of morons you Linux advocates are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you think Microsft could sneak hidden TCP/IP traffic past all
> the
> > > > > > > Microsoft haters masquerading as security experts you are dummer
> > > than a
> > > > > bag
> > > > > > > of hammers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then why did Microsoft suffer 3+ months of unauthorized access
> from
> > > > > Russia?
> > > > >
> > > > > It was week. And the QAZ trojan infected an employees home machine.
> And
> > > it
> > > > > had access to the LAN, probably via a VPN.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any corporation allowing internal access via VPN's are vulnerable
> using
> > > the
> > > > > exact same scenario.
> > > >
> > > > I don;t think saysin this attack can affect anyone is smart to say. I
> > > mean it
> > > > really is unacceptable so the implications are huge.
> > > > If you don;t get me then asnwer this.
> > > > How does QAZ infect OS/2 or LINUX or FreeBSD?
> > >
> > > Not necessarily QAZ. Linux root gets broken all the time.
> >
> > It takes a hell of a lot more effort to crack a password than it
> > does to mail off a virus.
>
> Tsk tsk. I know you've been asleep, but you should read up on "resource
> string" exploits.
>
> And all the other Unix/Linux exploits that let one take root.
Yes, yes...against improperly managed systems.
Conversely, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make NT secure AND still have it
do anythign useful.
>
> CERT is a good place to start if you can interrupt you nap long enough.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:22:37 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:WSKM5.12896$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:FhFM5.121651$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > Neither is there in Windows, so your point is.....?
> > > >
> > > > How do you 'open' an attachment as a data file making sure
> > > > you don't execute any content that it contains before you
> > > > see what it is?
> > >
> > > You save it as a file and then scan it with your virus scanner.
> > >
> > > Or open it with notepad which does not execute any .exe's or macros.
> >
> > Gotta love that Windows ease of use and carefully designed interface...
>
> I do.
>
That's because you're a gullible MORON.
> >
> > > Saving an attachment to disk does not execute it.
> >
> > But if someone double-clicks it instead of starting the other app to
> > access it you are still fried.
>
> True of any email attachment in any operating system.
Wrong.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure.
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:16:48 -0600
Chad Myers wrote:
> "Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 03:33:10 GMT,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Particularly the ones where Red Hat was compromised and trojan code was
> allowed
> > >to be inserted and was released as final product by Red Hat themselves.
> >
> > As usual, you are a blatent liar.
>
> What? Ah... denying the truth again I see, Perry. Perhaps you should consult
> a psychologist as this is, in fact, truth. About 3 months ago or so Red Hat was
> under fire (in fact there was a mention on Slashdot about it).
I missed that one.
I suspect you are confusing two incidents. One, several months ago, where Red Hat
was shipping a component that came with the ever-popular default password; the
other, maybe two years ago, where someone uploaded a hacked version of some OSS
product to a popular download site.
BTW, the latter case was caught within *hours*, simply because it was open source,
and people do actually read the code. And the site owners used their FTP logs to
notify people who had downloaded it during that period.
> Search the news archives, you'll find it.
Please search it for us, and post it here. I'm an avid Slashdot reader, and yet
somehow I missed it. I suspect you have the stories confused per above, but I'm
always willing to learn.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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