Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Nadav,
Thanks for adding this historical note. Indeed there were others involved 
as well, Waleed Husny from IBM Egypt (now at Sun) who did much of the AWT 
RTL support. Helpful comments were also received from Matitiahu Allouche 
of IBM and Yura Gauchman of Oracle. Thanks to all who participated.

 - yba


On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Nadav Har'El wrote:

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:13:22 +0200
From: Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, linux-il <linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual 
Text Selection":
We are talking about a very lengthy focus group and marketing research
effort, not about springing a new feature on the unsuspecting bidi public.

B.C. Beck at Sun and Doug Felt at IBM implemented bidi supoprt in the ICU
and Java Swing respectively based on requirements provided by me and Isam
Abuteir. That was a four-year effort.

Even more than four years ;-) Eight (!) years ago I was in a
multilingualization conference in Tsukuba, Japan, presenting Ivrix.
Douglas Felt was also there, and presented the issues and solutions of
bidi support in Java. One of the issues he discussed, which really sank
into my memory, was the issue of caret movement and logical vs. visual
selection. You can see his presentation in

http://www.m17n.org/conference/m17n2000_all_but_registration/proceedings/felt/index.htm

Another presentation was given there on a similar topic by Eli Zaretskii
who focused, believe it or not, on the MS-DOS EinsteinWriter (yes, this
editor was an antique even at that time ;-)), and how well it treated
(in his opinion) cursor movement. I'm not sure Eli's opinions were the same
as Doug's:

http://www.m17n.org/conference/m17n2000_all_but_registration/proceedings/zaretskii/m17n2000.ps.gz




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